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Conversation: 848-004

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Start Date: 5-Feb-1973 9:03 PM

End Date: 5-Feb-1973 9:33 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ziegler, Ronald L.

Recording Device: Oval Office

848-004a.mp3

848-004b.mp3

NARA Description:

On February 5, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:03 pm to 9:33 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 848-004 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 848-4

Date: February 5, 1973
Time: 9:03 am - 9:33 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.
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           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                              Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. Oct.-09)
                                                     Conversation No. 848-4 (cont’d)



Meeting of Pay and Price Board
      -Departure of members
              -Donald H. Rumsfeld
      -Phase III

Impoundment
      -Amount of funds
              -Percentage
      -Letter to Congressional leaders

Testimony on Capitol Hill
      -George P. Shultz
      -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
      -Roy L. Ash
      -William E. Timmons
             -Weinberger’s confirmation
                     -Quality of testimony

White House staff
      -John D. Ehrlichman
             -Herbert G. Klein
                     -Trip to Vietnam and People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                     -Job offer
                             -University of Connecticut
                             -Consultant role in administration
      -Henry A. Kissinger
             -Herbert G. Klein
                     -Trip to Vietnam and PRC
             -Press relations
                     -Foreign press
                     -Klein
                             -PRC
                             -Vietnam
      -Klein
             -Job offer
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           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. Oct.-09)
                                                      Conversation No. 848-4 (cont’d)



Congress
      -Problems
             -Cuts
      -Ehrlichman
             -John V. Lindsay [?]
             -Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.
             -Kenneth W. Clawson
                     -Counterattack
             -Briefing

Nolde family
       -Press
               -Danger of exploitation
                      -Funeral
       -Visit to White House
               -Meeting with the President
               -Photographs
                      -Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins
                      -Wire services

Press relations
        -Chicago Tribune
                -Editorials
                        -News summary
                        -Bombing
                -Concerns over Clay T. (“Tom”) Whitehead's statements
                        -Front-page story
                        -Television stations
                        -Broadcasting legislation
        -Public exposure
        -Time magazine
                -Comments on the President
        -Chicago Tribune
        -Saul Pett interview for the President's 60th birthday
                -Objections
                -Play in press
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    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                        Tape Subject Log
                          (rev. Oct.-09)
                                                 Conversation No. 848-4 (cont’d)



-Press conferences
        -Questions
-Personal relations with journalists
        -Effectiveness
        -Journalists' reactions
        -The President’s views
                -Social relations
                -Proximity
        -Ziegler’s view
        -Pett
-Barbara Walters
-Personal stories in the press
        -Effectiveness for the administration
                -Obviousness
                        -Pett
                -Subtlety
        -Past policy
                -William L. Safire
                        -Calls to columnists
                -Coordination
        -Interviews
                -Pett
                -Birthday interview

-Edward R. G. Heath's visit
       -Press coverage
               -Great Britain
       -Interest in Heath's visit
               -Don Maitland
                      -Chief Press Secretary
                      -Wire services
                               -The President walks with Heath
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew’s trip
       -Press coverage
               -Tone
       -Visit to Laos
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    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                       Tape Subject Log
                         (rev. Oct.-09)
                                                Conversation No. 848-4 (cont’d)



              -Security
                      -Arrival in Vientiane
      -Meeting with the President
              -Meeting with Kissinger
      -Security
              -Prerogatives
              -United States Secret Service [USSR]
              -The President’s 1953 trip
      -Publicity
              -Goodwill visits
                      -Vietnam
                             -Hospital
      -Travel
              -Meeting with the President
-Whitehead
      -Local control of media
              -Chicago Tribune
-Amnesty
      -Briefing for Ziegler
      -Vote
      -Haynes B. Johnson's article
      -Abraham Lincoln's policy
              -Enemy
              -Deserters, Southerners
      -Attitudes of draft dodgers
              -Forgiveness
              -US apology
      -The President's attitude
              -Misconception
              -Penalties
                      -Samuel A. Donaldson
      -Congress
      -Comment to Dan Rather
      -Ziegler's answer to press inquiries
              -The President’s use of the word “liberal”
      -Individual cases
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Oct.-09)
                                                                Conversation No. 848-4 (cont’d)



                             -Mercy
                             -Compared to blanket amnesty
               -Agnew
                      -Publicity with Cabinet
                      -Ego
               -Foreign policy
               -Column by Vermont Royster
                      -News summaries
                      -Liberal columnist, commentators
                              -James B. (“Scotty”) Reston
                              -Washington Post
                                      -Editorial
                                              -Vietnam settlement
                                                      -Nguyen van Thieu’s opposition
                      -Effect
                      -Opposition to Vietnam cease-fire
                      -General attitudes
                              -Working press
                      -The President’s view
                              -Columns
                                      -Paul Greenberg
                                      -Adrian Lee
                              -Social columns
                                      -Betty Beale
                                      -Kandy S. Stroud
                                      -Beale
                                              -Inauguration
                                              -Interview preference

Ziegler left at 9:33 am.
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                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Oct.-09)