Conversation: 848-015
Prev:  848-014 Next: 848-016Start Date: 5-Feb-1973 1:09 PM
End Date: 5-Feb-1973 1:58 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.; Sanchez, Manolo; Recording Device: Oval Office
NARA Description:
On February 5, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:09 pm to 1:58 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 848-015 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 848-15 Date: February 5, 1973 Time: 1:09 pm - 1:58 pm Location: Oval Office The President met with John D. Ehrlichman. Department of health, education, and Welfare [HEW] -Patricia R. Hitt -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger -Field organization -Frank G. Carlucci -Reorganization -Hitt’s position at HEW -Hitt -Rose Mary Woods -Counsellor -Possible conversation with Ehrlichman -Reorganization -Roy L. Ash -Value to administration -Ehrlichman's conversation with the President -Field organization -New job -Labor Department -Conversation with Ehrlichman -Extensive travels -46- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Oct.-09) Conversation No. 848-15 (cont’d) -Europe White House staffing -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman -1972 election -Celebrations -Cabinet appointments -Vietnam -Celebrations -David M. Kennedy -John A. Volpe -Peter G. Peterson -Haldeman -Art Buchwald -Peterson -Peterson’s wife -Source of stories -Margot Hahn -Washington Post -Georgetown set -The Establishment -Compared to Loraine Guyer Percy -Departure from administration -Trip -Letter -Conversation with Ehrlichman -New job -Herbert G. Klein -Ronald L. Ziegler -Job offer -University of Connecticut -Communications -Administrative skills -Fundraiser -Government grants -47- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Oct.-09) Conversation No. 848-15 (cont’d) -Conversation with Ehrlichman -Position with administration -Problem -Division of authority on communications -Ziegler -Organization chart -Job hunt -Haldeman -Age -Wealth -William P. Rogers -Lyndon B. Johnson -Jack J. Valenti -Blackmail -Conversation with Ehrlichman -Woods -United States Secret Service [USSS] -Presidential detail -William L. Duncan -Robert H. (“bob”) Taylor -Woods -Haldeman -Hitt -Haldeman Economic policy -Meeting with Executive Directors of the Pay Board and Price Commission -Phase III -William McChesney Martin, Jr. -Predictions -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson -“Issues and Answers” -Budget cuts -Defense budget -Budget cuts -Opposition -48- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Oct.-09) Conversation No. 848-15 (cont’d) -Taxes -Economic growth -Martin -Alternatives to taxes -US News and World Report -Unemployment -Projections -Skepticism -Positive line -John B. Connally’s abilities -Messages -Phase III -George P. Shultz -Market -Confidence -Arthur F. Burns -Credit crunch -Businessmen -Control -War -Compared to peace -Uncertainty -Haldeman -Support for expansion -Tax increases, budget cuts Phase II -Ehrlichman's view -Support for controls -Price Board -Enforcement -Banks -Confidence -Economic confidence -Reliability of measurement -Burns -49- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Oct.-09) Conversation No. 848-15 (cont’d) -Vietnam War -Public relations problems -Businessmen -Dependence on government -Paternalism -Martin -Federal Reserve -Mismanagement -1969-1970 economic downturn -Burns -Martin -Attack -International monetary situation -Blame -Money markets -Effect -Connally -Credit crunch -Government spending -Wages -Inflation -Shultz -Tax reform -Meeting with the President -Trade legislation -Wilbur D. Mills -Tax reform -Parochial schools -Elderly real estate -House Ways and Means Committee -List -Administration positions -Depletion allowance -Meeting with the President -Scheduling -Paper -50- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Oct.-09) Conversation No. 848-15 (cont’d) -Herbert Stein’s views -Ash -Capital gains -Blanket deductions -Housing Ehrlichman's response for mayors -Housing -[First name unknown] Brown -Briefing -Ziegler -New York -Democrats -John V. Lindsay -Kenneth R. Cole, Jr. -Housing -Congressional leaders’ meeting -The President's conversation with James T. Lynn -Moratorium on commitments -Construction -Dwight D. Eisenhower -Dams -Commitments Congressional leaders’ meeting -Information for the President -Elderly -Disabled -Veterans -Housing Capital punishment -Richard G. Kleindienst -Mandatory sentences -Hard line -Albert E. Sindlinger -51- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Oct.-09) Conversation No. 848-15 (cont’d) -Public attitudes Economic growth -Carl B. Albert -The President's strategy -Tax increases The President’s meeting -Housing -The President's conversation with Lynn -Weinberger -Confirmation problems -Lynn -Housing -Earl L. Butz -Subjects for discussion -Natural resources -Farm legislation -Department of Natural Resources -Agriculture Department -Rogers C. B. Morton -Butz's opinion -Reorganization bill Congress -Frustrations -Vietnam War -“Hawks” -Hard choices Executive privilege -US News and World Report -Number of invocations -Compared to other Presidents -Press conference -52- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Oct.-09) Conversation No. 848-15 (cont’d) Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 1:09 pm. ********************************************************************** [Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift] Food order [End segment reviewed under deed of gift] ********************************************************************** Sanchez left at an unknown time before 1:58 pm. Foreign policy -Preparations -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT] -Mutual and Balanced Force Reduction [MBFR] -European Security Conference -International trade -International monetary situation -Problems -Vietnam War -Aid from Congress -Budget -Tax increases -Aid for North Vietnam -Effective date -Necessity -Bilateral reparations -Reconstruction Budget -Inconsistencies -1974 budget -Briefings -53- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Oct.-09) Conversation No. 848-15 (cont’d) -Explanations The President’s schedule -Domestic problems -Decentralization -State of the Union messages -Timing -Radio taping -The President’s editing -Discussion with Haldeman -Congressional relations -Governors -Press relations -Meeting with Counsellors, Cabinet, White House staff, public -Domestic problems -Public relations -Cabinet officers -Shultz -Meeting during Edward R. G. Heath’s visit -Great Britain -Decisions -The President’s input -Compared to foreign policy -Latin America, Africa -President's involvement in issues -Phase III -Energy -Connally [?] -International monetary situation -Shultz -Tax reform -Shultz -Peter J. Brennan -Dealing with the President -Special relationship -Political situation -54- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Oct.-09) Conversation No. 848-15 (cont’d) -Cabinet meeting -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew -Trip to the Southeast Asia -Philippines -Commander-in-Chief, Pacific [CINCPAC] -Hawaii -Golf -Kuala Lumpur -Henry A. Kissinger -Cabinet, White House staff -Congress -Domestic problems -Meeting with Shultz -Treasury Department -Tax reform -Decision paper -Ehrlichman’s role -Advice to the President -Kissinger -President's dealings with Cabinet officers -Note taker -Ehrlichman’s role -Shultz -Persuasiveness -Trade bill -Tax reform -Option paper -Hearings Energy -Option paper -Connally -Complexity -Excitement -Ehrlichman’s interview with US News and World Report -Costs of environmental protection -55- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Oct.-09) Conversation No. 848-15 (cont’d) -Clean air, water -Costs of environmental protection -Challenge -Charles J. DiBona -Connally -Meetings -Private sector -Peter M. Flanigan -Meetings with Ehrlichman -DiBona -Connally -Meetings with the President -Energy problems -Oil Ehrlichman left at 1:58 pm.