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Start Date: 8-Feb-1973 2:34 PM

End Date: 8-Feb-1973 3:07 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Moynihan, Daniel P.White House photographerBull, Stephen B.Morton, Rogers C. B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

853-016.mp3

NARA Description:

On February 8, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Daniel P. Moynihan, White House photographer, Stephen B. Bull, and Rogers C. B. Morton met in the Oval Office of the White House from 2:34 pm to 3:07 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 853-016 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 853-16

Date: February 8, 1973
Time: 2:34 pm-3:07 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan; the White House photographer was present at
the beginning of the meeting.

       Confirmation hearings
             -J. William Fulbright

       [Photograph session]

       Moynihan’s ambassadorship
             -Question
                    -India

       Fulbright
              -Attitude
              -Racism
                      -Asia, Africa

       US-India relations
             -Indira Gandhi
                      -President’s conversation with William P. Rogers
                      -Speech
                             -US racism
                             -Moynihan’s dealings
                                      -Liberal Democrat
                      -Pakistan
                      -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                             -Importance
             -President’s meeting with Indira Gandhi
                      -President’s trip to PRC
                      -PRC relations
             -Moynihan’s job
                      -Public appearance
                             -Liberal Democrat
                                          -43-

               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                   Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. Feb.-10)
                                                             Conversation No. 853-16 (cont’d)


                   -Private dealings
                           -Contrast
                   -Travel in India
           -Lakshmi Kant Jha
                   -Ambassador from India
                           -Party
           -Indira Gandhi
                   -Speech
                           -Policy
                           -Nepal
                   -Women
                   -Parents
                           -Jawaharlal Nehru
                           -Aristocrats
                           -View of Great Britain, US
           -PRC
                   -Concerns
           -Frankness, self-interest
           -Jha
           -Triloki Nath Kaul’s forthcoming visit to US
                   -Communism
           -Moynihan
                   -Talk with Henry A. Kissinger
                   -Communications with White House
                           -Germany
                           -Problems to be discussed
                           -Privacy
                                   -Outside of bureaucracy
                                   -Leaks
                           -White House directives
                                   -Denials


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[National Security]
[Duration: 9s]
                                          -44-

               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                   Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. Feb.-10)
                                                          Conversation No. 853-16 (cont’d)


COMMUNICATION

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
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                           -Instructions from President
                                   -Kissinger
                                   -Pentagon
                                   -State Department
                                   -National Security Council [NSC]
                   -Conversation with William F. (“Billy”) Graham
                           -Visit to India
                           -Qualities
                           -Harvard University
                           -Baptists
           -Radar systems
                   -Pakistan
                   -Purchase from US
                   -Importance
           -Military Power
                   -Personnel carriers
                   -Melvin R. Laird
                   -Balance
                           -Numbers
                           -Compared with Pakistan
                   -Kissinger
           -US-Pakistan relations
                   -PRC
                   -Weakness
           -Stability of Pakistan
           -Numerical superiority
           -Nuclear potential
                   -Effect on other nations
                           -Japan, Brazil
           -Arms in South Asia
                   -Artillery
                           -Pakistan
                                               -45-

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Feb.-10)
                                                            Conversation No. 853-16 (cont’d)


                             -North Korea
                     -Competition
                     -Production
              -Foreign aid
                     -Wheat purchases
              -Wheat sales
                     -Chicago
                     -Soviet Union
                     -US surplus
                             -Soviet Union, PRC
                             -Earl L. Butz
                     -US assistance
              -Trade deficit
                     -Raymond Songay [?]
                             -Rogers
                             -Report in 1969
                     -Currency
                     -Agreement with US
                             -Foreign aid
                                     -Compared with Germany’s Marshall Fund

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 2:34 pm.

       Helicopter

Bull left at an unknown time before 3:07 pm.

       US-India relations
             -Foreign aid
                      -Kissinger
                      -World War I debts
                             -Adolf Hitler
             -President’s meeting with Wilbur D. Mills
             -Moynihan’s travel to India
                      -Wife and family
                             -Rome
                      -Arrival in India
                             -Vacation
                                              -46-

                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. Feb.-10)
                                                            Conversation No. 853-16 (cont’d)


                              -Delay
                                    -Mills
                                    -Gandhi’s speech
                              -Moynihan’s demeanor
                                    -Publicity
              -Bureaucrats
                     -Moynihan’s acquaintance
                     -Importance
              -President’s letter to Gandhi
                     -Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft’s draft
                     -Contents
                              -Relationship
                              -Moynihan’s association with Democrats
                                      -Bipartisanship
                              -President’s confidence in Moynihan

       Moynihan
             -Departure for India        -Vietnam settlement
             -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman’s visit to India

Rogers C. B. Morton entered at an unknown time before 3:07 pm.

              -Confirmation
              -Gandhi

Moynihan left at 3:07 pm.