Conversation No. 854-21

Date: February 13, 1973
Time: 11:43 am - 12:25 pm
Location: Oval Office
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The President met with John A. Scali and Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft.

       United Nations [UN]
              -Scali’s departure
              -Credentials
              -Kurt Waldheim
                      -India
                      -Pakistan
                      -Bangladesh
                      -Compared with U Thant
                      -Role in Vietnam
              -Thant
                      -Communist Bloc tilt
              -Finances
                      -US contributions
                      -Scali’s role
                              -US Congress
              -US concerns
                      -Terrorism
                              -Lack of resolution
                                     -Waldheim
              -New members
                      -Africa
                      -Failures
              -Accomplishments
                      -Environment
                      -Peacekeeping roles
              -Relations with US
                      -Fairness
                              -Thant
                              -Edward R. G. Heath [?]
                              -Vietnam

       Middle East
             -Two approaches
                   -Open approach
                          -William P. Rogers
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                     -Private contacts
                             -Soviet Union
                             -Egyptians
                             -Golda Meir
                             -Confidentiality
                     -Merits of each approach

[Tape has discontinuity of unknown cause]

       UN
              -Scali’s role
                      -Defense of US interests
                      -US foreign policy
                             -Scali’s television [TV] appearance
                             -UN framework
                             -US objectives reflected in UN actions
                                      -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                                      -Soviet Union
              -UN cooperation
              -Scali’s pragmatism
              -Scali staff
                      -Changes
                      -Black ambassadors
                      -Woman ambassadors
                             -United States Information Agency [USIA] background
                      -Black staffers
                             -UN make-up
                             -Quotas
                                      -Qualifications
                      -UN mission
                             -Living, expense allowances
                                      -Cost of living in New York City
                                             -Affluent staffers
                                             -John J. Rooney
                                             -Paris
                      -L. Dean Brown
                             -Ambassador to Jordan
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                       -[Hussein, King of Jordan] Hussein ibn Talal
                       -Financial resources
       -UN mission staff
               -Possible move to New York City
                       -Cost of living
                               -Compared to Washington, DC
                       -Children
                               -Education
               -Living allowances increase
                       -Rooney
                               -George H. W. Bush
                               -President’s support
                               -Scali’s approval
       -Scali’s background
       -View of US President
               -Scali’s response
       -Fairness
       -Resolutions
               -Usefulness to larger, industrialized nations
       -Great Britain and France
       -Increased stature
               -Accomplishments, successes
       -Waldheim
               -Peace conference on Vietnam
                       -Handling
                       -Fairness
                       -Prestige
                       -Prejudice toward US
                       -South Vietnam
               -Meeting with President
                       -Conditions
                       -Arrangements

Scali’s appreciation for President’s support
        -Controversy
        -Assurance
        -Rogers
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       -Henry A. Kissinger
       -Scali as newspaperman

Prisoners of war [POWs] return
       -Deplaning
               -Statements
               -Neil Armstrong
                       -Statement on the moon
                       -Col. Robinson Risner
               -Photograph in Washington Star
                       -Associated Prss [AP] wire
       -Effect on country
               -Draft dodgers, deserters
               -POWs’ coverage
               -POWs’ wives
       -Collaborators
               -Capt. Jeremiah A. Denton, Jr.
               -Number
               -Nature of actions
       -Denton
               -Years in captivity
       -Heroism
       -Nation’s pride
       -Vietnam settlement
               -Political support for President
       -Possibility of release
               -Effect of bombing
               -Risner
                       -Wife
               -James A. Mulligan, Jr.
                       -President’s conversation with Mulligan’s wife
                               -Admiration of President
       -Credit for President
       -Support for George S. McGovern
               -Contributions
       -Reaction to unilateral withdrawal
               -Pride
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               -Peace
                        -Value of sacrifice
                               -Risner

Vietnam settlement
      -Peace
      -South Vietnam
              -Chance to survive
              -Laos, Cambodia
      -Failures of Communism
              -PRC
      -Eastern Europe
              -Romania
              -Poland

Scali’s mission to UN in New York City
        -Apartment
        -Henry Cabot Lodge
               -President’s visit
               -Meeting with Scali
        -Bush
        -Charles W. Yost
               -Misconduct of American foreign policy
                      -Vietnam settlement

Henry Fairlie’s book on the Presidency
      -Fairlie’s political orientation
      -Kennedy family
      -Public relations [PR] in politics
      -President’s recommendations
      -Foreign policy
               -Analysis
               -Expectations abroad
               -Crisis management

UN
       -Security Council meeting
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       -Meeting in Panama
       -Economic and social problems in Latin America
       -Panama Canal negotiations
       -Chile
              -Multinational corporations
                     -Complaints
       -Cuba
              -Guantanamo
              -Puerto Rico
       -Peru
              -Tuna boats
-Cuba
-US foreign policy
       -Ferdinand E. Marcos
               -Philippines
       -Internal policies
               -Communist countries
       -Other nations’ policies toward US
               -Genocide
       -Aid to dictators
               -Eastern European countries
                       -Yugoslavia
                       -Romania
                       -Poland
       -PRC, Cuba, Soviet Union
               -Internal policies compared to foreign policy
       -Cuba
               -Policy of subversion and aggression
                       -US
                       -US Allies
       -Shanghai Communique
               -Soviet Union
               -Change in relationship
       -Fidel Castro
       -Salvador Allende Gossens
-US-Mexico relations
       -Criticism of US
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                      -Luis Alvarez Echeverria
                      -Dealings with Allende
              -Criticism of US
              -US-Indonesia relations
                      -Spiro T. Agnew’s comments
                      -Lt. Gen. T. N. J. Suharto
                      -Adam Malik
                              -State Department
                      -Suharto
                              -Neutrality
                              -Military aid from US
                              -Criticism of US
                              -Agnew’s response
                                      -Congressional reaction
              -Criticism of US
                      -Fairness
                              -International monetary situation
                      -Pierre E. Trudeau
                      -Echeverria
                      -Congress
                              -Cut of aid
                      -Mexico
                      -Canada
                              -Balance of trade

       Scali’s role at UN
               -Double standard
               -Fairness
               -Controversy
                       -Rogers’s statement
                              -Time
               -James B. (“Scotty”) Reston
               -Righteous indignation
                       -TV coverage

Scali and Scowcroft left at 12:25 pm.
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