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Start Date: 23-Feb-1973 12:57 PM

End Date: 23-Feb-1973 1:37 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Volpe, John A.Kissinger, Henry A.Sanchez, ManoloBull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

862-016a.mp3

862-016b.mp3

NARA Description:

On February 23, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, John A. Volpe, Henry A. Kissinger, Manolo Sanchez, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:57 pm to 1:37 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 862-016 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 862-16

Date: February 23, 1973
Time: 12:55 pm – 12:57 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger and John A. Volpe.

       Volpe’s visit
              -Report
                      -Kissinger
              -Relations with US

       US Ambassadors to Latin America
            -Brazil
                    -Leadership
                    -William M. Rountree
                            -Capabilities
                    -Volpe’s schedule
                            -Letters
            -Venezuela
            -Argentina
            -Brazil
                    -Air traffic control project
                            -Loss of contract
                            -Raytheon Corporation of Massachusetts
                            -Charlie Adams
                            -US firms
                            -French contract
                    -Reopening of negotiations
                            -Contract
                    -Growth potential
                            -Amazon River developments
                                    -Trans-Amazon highway
                                    -Volpe’s travel

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 12:57 pm.
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                         Tape Subject Log
                                           (rev. Jan.-10)
                                                            Conversation No. 862-16 (cont’d)




       Message for Volpe

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 1:10 pm.

       Latin America
              -Brazil
                     -Importance
                            -Emilio Garrastazu
                                   -Visit by President
               -Mexico
                     -Luis Echevarria Alvarez
                            -Statements regarding US

       Volpe’s job as ambassador
              -Promotion of US

       Italy
               -Political situation

       European nations
             -Electoral politics
                     -Great Britain
                             -Election
                     -Greece
                     -Turkey
                     -Spain
                             -Socialist

       Italy
               -Economically oriented
               -Parties, Interests
               -Volpe’s task
                       -Ties to political parties
               -Party shifts
                       -Jeopardy
                                             -31-

                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Jan.-10)
                                                             Conversation No. 862-16 (cont’d)



                     -Economic potential
                     -Ties to West
              -Support for Andreotti
              -Meeting with Andreotti, Christian Democratic Deputies, Industrialists
                     -Transportation Secretary
                             -Pride in US
                     -Italian history
              -Andreotti
                     -Stability
              -Congress of Christian Democrats
                     -Timing
                     -Fall of government
              -US position regarding Andreotti


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                     -Cautions
                             -Leaks
                             -Corruption
              -Reputation
                     -Industry, economy
                     -Politics
                     -Compared with Ancient Rome
                     -Industry
                     -Politics
                                            -32-

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Jan.-10)
                                                         Conversation No. 862-16 (cont’d)



                             -Leaders
                             -Bureaucracy
                                    -Volpe’s view

       Volpe’s role
              -Andreotti
                    -Meetings

       Prime Ministers
             -Cabinet
                     -Opposition party members
                            -Former prime ministers
             -[First name unknown] Ashburg [?]

       Kissinger's meeting with David K. E. Bruce
              -Timing
              -Meeting with the President
                     -Radio talk

       Charles G. ("Bebe") Rebozo
              -Business
              -Women

Kissinger left at 1:10 pm.

       Unknown woman
            -Foreign Service

       Volpe
               -Support for the President
               -Ambassadorship
                     -President’s achievements
                              -Vietnam
                              -Critics
                              -Prisoners of War [POWs]
                              -Impression
                                        -33-

            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. Jan.-10)
                                                     Conversation No. 862-16 (cont’d)



       -Pride

State Department
       -European affairs
       -William P. Rogers
       -Walter J. Stoessel, Jr.
       -William J. Casey
       -Kenneth D. Rush

European Community
      -Volpe’s work
      -Year at Europe
      -Importance
      -Relations with US
              -Economic confrontation

Volpe’s job as ambassador

Peter G. Peterson
       -International monetary situation
       -Volpe’s request for reports
       -Travels
               -Italy, France

People’s Republic of China [PRC]
       -Navigation system
             -Kissinger’s letter to Volpe
             -Defense Department
             -Conflict
             -Usefulness
                      -Peace
             -Effect on US labor

Volpe’s meeting with George Meany
       -Work with Meany
              -Bill Driggs [?]
                                       -34-

            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. Jan.-10)
                                                     Conversation No. 862-16 (cont’d)



               -State Department
        -Free Labor Movement
               -Union cooperation
                       -Italy
                              -Communists
                              -Christian Democrats
                              -Numbers
                       -US policy

Poles
        -Businessman

US contacts abroad
      -Work with Volpe

News summary
      -Patrick J. Buchanan
      -Copy for Volpe
      -Diplomatic mails
              -Newspapers abroad
              -New York Times
              -Biases
              -Walter H. Annenberg

Ethnics
       -John A. Scali, Frank C. Carlucci
       -Ella T. Grasso
       -Poles
       -New American Majority
       -Michael P. Balzano
               -ACTION posting
               -Reputation

Volpe’s experience in business
       -Ethnics
              -Quotas
                                               -35-

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Jan.-10)
                                                             Conversation No. 862-16 (cont’d)




Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 1:10 pm.

       President's schedule
              -Radio talk


Bull left at an unknown time before 1:37 pm.

       Volpe's job

       Ethnics
              -Commission of Food Advisory, other commissions
                      -Cost of Living Council [COLC]
              -Assistant to Volpe
                      -Support for Nixon
              -Staff appointments
                      -Blacks, Polish-Americans, Italian-Americans, Slavs

       President's administration
              -Credit for domestic problems
                      -Transportation, health
              -Long-range plans
                      -Congress
                              -President’s plans adopted
                                     -Airport
                                     -Speech
                      -Credit
              -John D. Ehrlichman's interview in US News and World Report
       Transportation Department [DOT]
              -Environment
                      -Achievements
                              -Expressway
                                     -Tennessee
              -Highway safety
                      -Lives saved
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            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. Jan.-10)
                                                       Conversation No. 862-16 (cont’d)



              -Decline of auto deaths
              -Air bags
                     -General Motors, Ford Motor Corporation
              -Support
       -Railroads
              -Potential for nationalization
              -Northeast corridor
                     -Volpe's report
                     -Savings over highways
                     -Service to public
                              -Public-private corporation
                                      -AMTRAK
                                      -Subsidy
                     -Success
                     -Congressional relations

Public transportation
        -Budget
               -General funds
        -Claude S. Brinegar
               -Highway funds
               -Congressional relations

Volpe's experience
       -Bismark chief executive
       -Commission of Public Works
       -Governor
       -Cabinet officer service
               -Staff meeting
                       -President's statement
               -Cabinet officers
               -Staff in DOT
                       -John McReynolds
                       -Joseph A. Bosco
                       -John Cole
                       -[First name unknown] Russell
                                        -37-

            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. Jan.-10)
                                                    Conversation No. 862-16 (cont’d)




President’s call to Cabinet officers and families
       -Volpe’s son
               -Italian lessons
               -Work
               -Vacation

Staff members
       -Power
       -Attitudes

Congress members
      -Contacts with White House

Cabinet members
       -Support from President
             -Telephone calls
             -Encouragement

President’s travel plans
       -Europe
               -Timing
               -France
               -London
               -Germany
               -France, Italy

Europe
         -Length of trip
                -Difficulties
         -Compared with USSR, PRC
         -Italy
                -Timing
                -Election
                -Andreotti
                -Communists
                                      -38-

            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. Jan.-10)
                                                  Conversation No. 862-16 (cont’d)



                 -Socialists

Volpe’s report
       -Origin
       -Massachusetts

President’s image

Volpe
        -Role in Italian-American community

Scali
        -United Nations [UN]
               -Rebuilding
        -Recognition of Italian-Americans
               -Anglos
                      -Henry Cabot Lodge
                      -George H. W. Bush

Gifts
        -Cuff links
        -Ash trays
        -Golf balls
        -Presentation
        -Expense
        -Mementoes
        -Meeting with Andreotti

Giovanni Leone
      -Letter to President
              -Reply
      -Middle East
              -Role of Italians
                      -Role of Volpe, Andreotti

Volpe's weight
                                           -39-

                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Jan.-10)
                                                           Conversation No. 862-16 (cont’d)




       Volpe's return to US

Volpe left at 1:37 pm.