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Start Date: 27-Feb-1973 4:21 PM

End Date: 27-Feb-1973 4:36 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Flanigan, Peter M.Raimondi, LuigiWhite House photographerSanchez, Manolo

Recording Device: Oval Office

864-005.mp3

NARA Description:

On February 27, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Peter M. Flanigan, Luigi Raimondi, White House photographer, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:21 pm to 4:36 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 864-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 864-5

Date: February 27, 1973
Time: 4:21 pm-4:36 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Luigi Raimondi and Peter M. Flanigan; members of the press and the
White House photographer were present at the beginning of the meeting.

       Greetings
              -Congratulations

       Photo session
              -Seating arrangement

       Departure for Rome
              -Time

       Diplomatic reception

       [Photograph session]
                                              -6-

                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                              Conversation No. 864-5 (cont’d)



Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 4:21 pm.

       Refreshments

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 4:36 pm.

       American young people
             -Maturity
             -Level of education
             -Awareness
             -Commitment
             -Hopefulness

       Catholic Church
              -Future
              -Visits to Diocese, bishops
                      -Confidence
              -Debates
                      -Doctrine
                      -Traditional, modern
                      -Metaphysics
                      -Relativism [?]
                              -Truth

       Vietnam
             -Message for pope
             -Conclusion of war

       World problems
             -Peace
             -Latin America
                    -Role of Church
                           -Advocacy of social change
                           -Association with radical political causes

       US cardinals
             -Cardinal James F. E. McIntyre
                                          -7-

            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                  Conversation No. 864-5 (cont’d)


               -Reactionary
               -Conservative
       -Cardinal Francis Spellman
       -Cardinal Terence Cook
       -Cardinal John Krol
       -Attitudes toward change
               -Avoidance of radicalism

Catholic Church
       -Force of stability
       -Radicals
               -Use of Church
                       -Destruction
               -Response of Rome
       -Effects of radicalism

Latin America
       -US role
              -Moderate
       -Radical reformers’ visits to US
              -Encouragement, help
       -Southern hemisphere
              -Moderate US role
       -Vatican role
              -US as example
              -Political orientation

Vatican
       -Relations with US
       -Contacts with US
               -Exchange of information

Catholic schools
       -President’s role
       -Tax bill
              -Wilbur D. Mills
              -Russell B. Long
                      -Support
                                              -8-

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                             Conversation No. 864-5 (cont’d)


               -Budget
               -[Pope Paul VI] Giovanni Battista Montini
               -President’s success compared with John F. Kennedy
                      -Role of Protestant

       Farewells
             -Kindness
             -Wish for more meetings

       Gifts
               -Cuff links
                       -Seal
                       -Attire

       Rome

Raimondi and Flanigan left at 4:36 pm.