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Start Date: 1-Mar-1973 9:47 AM

End Date: 1-Mar-1973 10:44 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Kissinger, Henry A.Ziegler, Ronald L.White House operatorRabin, Yitzhak[Unknown person(s)]Dean, John W., III

Recording Device: Oval Office

866-004a.mp3

866-004b.mp3

NARA Description:

On March 1, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, Ronald L. Ziegler, White House operator, Yitzhak Rabin, unknown person(s), and John W. Dean, III met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:47 am and 10:44 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 866-004 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 866-4

Date: March 1, 1973
Time: 9:47 am – 10:44 am
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Location: Oval Office

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger.

       Prisoners of war [POWs]
             -List
                   -Dates of release
             -Release
                   -Transportation
                   -Starting time

       President's press conference

       International Conference on Vietnam
             -Signing of documents
             -Kissinger's handling
                   -William P. Rogers

       Berlin Wall crises
             -Malcolm E. Smith, Jr.’s book [Kennedy’s 13 Great Mistakes in the White House]
                  -John F. Kennedy
             -Skybolt decision
                  -Nassau meeting
                  -France, Great Britain
                  -[Maurice] Harold Macmillan, Gen. Charles A. J. M. de Gaulle
                         - De Gaulle’s veto of common market entry
                               -Withdrawal from NATO
                  -Kennedy’s handling
                         -Kissinger's article in Reporter

       Kennedy’s handling of foreign policy
            -Cuban missile crisis
                 Italy, Turkey, Great Britain, France
                        -Skybolt
                        -Nassau meeting
                 -Public relations
            -Compared with President
                 -Jordan crisis
                 -India-Pakistan war
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           -Cien Fuegos

National Security Council [NSC] meetings
     -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
     -Frequency
     -Subject
     -George P. Shultz and Richard G. Kleindienst
           -Attendance
                  -John N. Mitchell, John B. Connally
                  -European Economic Community [EEC]
     -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
     -New European policy
           -Pentagon
     -Elliot L. Richardson, Rogers
     -Changes
           -William P. Clements, Jr., [David] Kenneth Rush, Rogers
                  -attendance
                        -precedent
                              -Dwight D. Eisenhower
                              -Deputies
           -Richardson
                  -Balance of views
     -Meeting on Latin America
     -Rush
     -Subjects
           -SALT, Europe, Latin America
                  -Kissinger’s report

World report
     -Completion
     -Kissinger’s trips

Treasury Department
     -Shultz
           -Under Secretary candidate
                  -Helmut (“Hal”) Sonnenfeldt
     -Sonnenfeldt
           -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
           -Intelligence
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                   -Hard-line attitude
                   -Replacement
                   -Lawrence S. Eagleburger
                   -Desire to leave
                         -Promotion
                   -Transfer to new position
                         -Defense Department
                                -Richardson
                                -International Security Affairs [ISA]
                                      -Candidate
                                            -Chuck Cooper
                   -Relations with Kissinger

       Treasury Department
            -Shultz
                  -East-West trade
            -William E. Simon
                  -Prospects
            -Shultz
                  -Value to administration
                        -Toughness
                               -Compared to Connally
                  -Public relations finesse
                  -Thoughtfulness
                  -Loyalty
            -Peter G. Peterson
                  -Departure
                  -Behavior since departure
                        -Job offer
                        -Comments against administration

Ronald L. Ziegler entered at 9:56 am.

       POWs’ release
          -Press relations
          -Henry A. Kissinger’s call to President
                 -Governors’ dinner
          -Kissinger, Haldeman, Ziegler, President's knowledge
                 -Relations with North Vietnam
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                                                                Conversation No. 866-4 (cont’d)



                   -Behind the scenes action
                          -Rogers
                          -Troop withdrawals
                                -Messages
             -Compared with Jordan crises
                   -State Department
             -Compared to India-Pakistan negotiations
                   -Air craft carrier
                   -West Pakistan
             -Press relations
                   -Headlines
                          -Washington Star
                                -Ziegler’s briefing
                                -President's call to Ziegler
                   -John C. Arbuckle
                          -Associated Press [AP]

       Vietnam settlement
            -Press questions on President's reaction to settlement
                    -Statement for press
                          -Implementation of agreement
                          -POW release
                                -Highest priority item
                                -US position
                                -Linkage with other issues
                                       -Troop withdrawals, mines
                          -North Vietnam’s adherence
                          -Cease-fire
                                -Nguyen Van Thieu
                           -Rationale for war
                               -POWs
                  -Ziegler’s press briefing
                         -President’s reaction
                               -Thieu
                               -POWs release

Ziegler left at 10:05 am.

       Golda Meir's visit
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                                                         Conversation No. 866-4 (cont’d)



     -Crisis
     -United Nations [UN] condemnation of airliner destruction
     -Meir’s visit to US
           -Election in Israel
     -John A. Scali
           -Conversation with Israel’s UN ambassador [Yosef Tekoah]
                 -Yitzhak Rabin
                       -Tekoah’s partisanship

Negotiations and weapons
     -Meir’s position
           -Interim agreement
           -Running in election
           -Interim settlement
           -Private talks
                  -President’s request
                  -Anwar el-Sadat
                  -Egypt, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
                  -Initiative

     -Airplanes
           -Briefing paper
           -Defense Department recommendations
                 -US aid
                 -Purchase, production
                 -Kissinger’s recommendations
                        -Number of airplanes
                              -F-4s and A-4s
                                    -Meir’s political position
           -President's dealings with Meir
                 -Airplane production, purchase
                        -Numbers
                              -State Department
                              -Area of discussion
                        -Delivery

Alliance For Progress
      -Disaster
      -Latin America
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      -Results
           -Brazil
                 -Communist

Kennedy’s foreign policy
     -Smith’s book
     -Europe
     -Nuclear Test Ban Treaty
     -Konrad Adenauer, Ludwig Erhard
     -De Gaulle
           -Opinion of Kennedy
           -Roland Evans
     -Adenauer
           -Jacquelline Lee Bouvier Kennedy Onassis’s statement
           -Pierre Salinger's statement
           -Opinion of Kennedy
     -Germany’s domestic politics
           -Willy Brandt
                 -Chancellor
                        -Christian Democratic Party
                              -Adenauer, Erhard’s departure
                                    -Offset agreement
                                    -Socialist parliamentary coalition
                                          -Brandt, Karl Schiller
     -Brazil
           -Joas Goulart
     -Indonesia
           -Achmed Sukarno
     -Relations with Europe
           -Eisenhower
           -Compared with John Foster Dulles
                 -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
                 -Adenauer, Germany
                 -De Gaulle

De Gaulle
     -American press reports
          -Kennedy
          -President’s opinion
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     -Charles E. (“Chip”) Bohlen
          -Reaction to France’s withdrawal from NATO
     -Economics
          -EEC
                 -Brussels


World leaders
     -Edward R. G. Heath
     -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
     -Leonid I Brezhnev
           -US relations
     -Mao Tse-Tung and Chou En-lai
           -President's dealings

Golda Meir’s visit to US
     -President's talk with Mrs. Marvin Mandel
           -Middle East
           -Airliner incident

Airliner incident
      -UN resolution
             -Investigation
                   -US vote
                         -Condemnation of Israel
             -Kissinger's opposition
                   -Meir’s visit to US
      -Scali
             -Vote in UN
                   -President’s knowledge
                         -Preoccupation with POWs
                         -State Department
      -Israel’s action
             -Meir

Golda Meir’s visit to the US
     -US aid
          -Airplanes
                 -Numbers
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                                                        Conversation No. 866-4 (cont’d)



           -Meir’s support
      -Negotiations
           -Interim agreement
           -General Principles
                  -Private talks

Kissinger’s call to Rabin

Bay of Pigs
     -Smith’s book
     -Congress
            -Briefing
     -Cabinet meeting
            -Dean Rusk
            -Robert S. McNamara
            -Douglas Ddillon
            -Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer
            -Allen W. Dulles
            -David Bissell
            -McGeorge Bundy
            -Paul H. Nitze
            -Thomas Mann
            -Adolf Berle
            -Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.
            -Richard Goodwin
            -J. William Fulbright
            -Compared to President’s meetings
                  -William L. Safire, Raymond K. Price, Jr., Patrick J. Buchanan
     -US Air Force
            -Fulbright
     -Kennedy’s approach
            -Compared to President’s approach
                  -Removal of Fidel Castro
                  -US involvement
                        -Denial
     -Loss of surprise
            -Rumors of US action against Castro
                  -Chester Bowles
                        -Anger
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                                                     Conversation No. 866-4 (cont’d)



                            -Rusk
                            -Leaks to press
                                  -Kennedy’s comment to New York Times publisher
                                  -Pentagon Papers
                                  -Damage to US government

Smith's book
     -Quality
     -Analysis of mistakes with Europe
           -Kennedy
           -NSC staff

US relations with Europe
     -Arnold Bordstram [?]
     -President's policies
            -USSR
            -NATO
     -Leaders
            -Quality
     -US consultation
            -Dwight Eisenhower
     -EEC
     -Domestic politics
            -Criticism of US
     -President's policies
            -Berlin
            -Modernization of NATO
            -New Program
     -Haig
            Gen. Andrew J. Goodpaster [?]
     -NATO
            -Donald H. Rumsfeld
                   -Great Britain
                         -Complaints
                         -Mutual and Balanced Force Reductions [MBFR]
     -USSR
            -Build-up of forces
            -Missiles
                   -Dr. Edward Teller
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                                                            Conversation No. 866-4 (cont’d)



                        -MBFR
                   -SALT meeting
                        -Richardson
                        -Clements
                   -Negotiations
                        -Anti-ballistic Missile [ABM]
                        -Multiple Independently-Targeted Reentry Vehicle [MIRV]
                        -US domestic support
                        -Areas of discussion

       Kissinger’s call to Rabin

Kissinger talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 10:05 am and
10:36 am.

[Conversation No. 866-4A]

[See Conversation No. 37-13]

[End of telephone conversation]

       Bay of Pigs
            -Smith’s book
            -Leaks
                   -Kennedy’s press conference
                   -Policy planning meeting
                         -Goodwin
                         -Confidentiality
            -Air cover
            -Naval cover
            -Air strikes
                   -Effects on Cuban air force, shipping
                   -Amphibious landing
                   -Anti-Castro Cubans
                         -Demoralization

Kissinger talked with Rabin at an unknown time between 10:05 am and 10:36 am.

[Conversation No. 4B]
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                                                             Conversation No. 866-4 (cont’d)




[See Conversation No. 37-14]

[End of telephone conversation]

       President’s press conference
             -Ziegler
             -Kissinger's opinion
                   -Timing
             -POW issue

             -East-West trade
                   -Announcement
                         -Ziegler
                         -Shultz, Frederick B Dent
             -Questions
                   -Vietnam cease-fire
                         -Violations
                         -Meeting with Meir
                         -US military restraint
                         -Infiltration
                         -Civil war
                                -Evolutionary process
             -Nguyen Van Thieu government
                   -International Commission of Control and Supervision [ICCS]
                         -Joint Military Commission
                         -Cease-fire violation
                                -US helicopter
                                       -ICCS
             -Laos
                   -Bombing strikes
                         -Cease-fire
                   -US position
             -Cambodia and Laos
                   -Cease-fire agreement
                         -Withdrawal of North Vietnam’s forces
                                -Timing
                   -Bombing
                         -Comments on military activities
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                                                              Conversation No. 866-4 (cont’d)



                   -B-52 strikes
                        -Cambodia
                        -News reports
                        US observers

       NATO
          -Haig as commander
          -Possible appointment
                -Promotion
                      -Joint Chiefs of Staff [JCS] chairman
                -Navy, Air Force
                      -Strategic thinkers

       Adm. Elmo R. Zumwalt, Jr.
            -Retirement
            -Opportunism
            -McNamara, Nitze
            -Performance in office
                  -Chile
                  -Navy morale
                  Adm. Thomas H. Moorer's and Clements's opinion
            -Handling of racial problems
                  -Compared with marines

Unknown person entered at an unknown time after 10:05 am.

       John W. Dean, III

Unknown person left at an unknown time before 10:35 am.

       Meeting with Meir
            -Conclusion
            -Israel’s ambassador to us [Yitzhak Rabin]

John W. Dean, III entered at 10:36 am.

       Richard G. Kleindienst

Kissinger left at 10:37 am.
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                                                                 Conversation No. 866-4 (cont’d)




       End of meeting

       Kleindienst
            -Conversation with Dean
            -Talk with L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III
                   -Change in Gray's position
            -Fedearl Bureau of Investigation [FBI] files
                   -Gray's offer to Congress
                   -Attorney General's approval
                   -Attorney General's criteria for turning over to
                    Congress
            -Hiss case
                   -No cooperation from F.B.I.
                   -Six Crises
                         -Executive privilege
                               -Clark Mollenhoff questions
                   -Cooperation of FBI and Justice Department
                         -Ziegler

An unknown person entered at an unknown time before 10:37 am.

       Copy of Six Crises
            -Delivery

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 10:44 am.

       FBI
             -Smith’s book Kennedy
                  -Harassment of newsmen during steel crisis
                  -Material for publicity
                  -Robert F. Kennedy misuse of authority

       Amnesty issue
           -Carl Sandburg on Abraham Lincoln
                  -Lincoln's position
                       -Amnesty for South
                       -No amnesty for number of deserters
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An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 10:36 am

       Hiss case
             -President's 1950 or 1951 speech

The unknown man left at 10:44 am.

       Hiss case

Dean left at 10:44 am.