Conversation: 868-013
Prev: 868-012 Next: 868-014Start Date: 3-Mar-1973 12:10 AM
End Date: 3-Mar-1973 1:09 AM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Dreyfus, Jack J., Jr.; [Unknown person(s)]; Woods, Rose Mary; Bull, Stephen B.;Recording Device: Oval Office
NARA Description:
On March 3, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Jack J. Dreyfus, Jr., unknown person(s), Rose Mary Woods, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:10 am and 1:09 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 868-013 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 868-13
Date: March 3, 1973
Time: Unknown between 12:10 pm and 1:09 pm
Location: Oval Office
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The President met with Jack J. Dreyfus, Sr.; the White House photographer was present at the
beginning of the meeting.
Introduction
Seating
[Photograph session]
The White House photographer left.
Airplanes
-Problems
-Terrorism
An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 12:10 pm.
Refreshment
The unknown man left at an unknown time before 12:54 pm.
1972 election
-President's victory
International affairs
-People’s Republic of China [PRC], Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
initiative
-Chances of war
-Vietnam War
-Peace settlement
-Public mood
-Riots, arson
-Radicalism
-Tactics
-Khartoum, Sudan incident
-George C. Wallace assassination attempt
-Arthur H. Bremer
-Sirhan Sirhan
-Robert F. (“Bobby”) Kennedy
-Khartoum
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Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
-Embassy
-Black September
-Arab frustrations
-Israel
-Poverty
Criminals in US
-Behavior
-Treatment
Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis
-Article in Readers Digest
-Editorial independence
President's vacation
President's accomplishments
-Opportunities on medicine
Diphenylhydantoin [DPH, Dilantin]
-Dreyfus Medical Foundation
-Food and Drug Administration [FDA]
-Policies
-Role
-Limitations
-Dreyfus's promotion of DPH
-Dreyfus Fund
-Briefing for President
-Necessity
-Qualities of DPH
-Habit-forming
-Tolerance
-Non-sedative
-Benefits
-Side effects
-Chance of fatal overdose
-Prescribed dosage
-Variation
-Epilepsy
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Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
-Dreyfus’s use
-Daily
-Tolerance
-Craving
-Qualities of DPH
-Conflicts
-Intestinal tract
-Tranquilizers
-Regulation of body's electricity
-Difficulties in spurring interest in medical establishment
-Blood pressure
-Test
-Dilantin
-Incidence
Dreyfus meeting with member of Supreme Soviet
-Madame Ektareva [?]
-Chairman of Board of Public Health
-Soviet government employees
-Compared to US government employees
-View of private ventures
FDA investigation of DPH
Nelson A. Rockefeller
-Letter to unknown person
Hobe Lewis’s story
-Albert Meisel
-Writer on medicine
-Investigation of DPH
-Article
-Length to write
-Outline
President's reading habits
President’s schedule
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Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
Meisel’s article
-Title [?]
-“The Strange Case of the Misunderstood Medicine”
-Development of DPH
-Doctors Trace and Putnam
-Epilepsy
-Phenobarbital's effects compared to DPH
-Boston City Hospital
-Drs. Putnam and Merek [?]
-Parke Davis laboratories
-DPH’s uses
-Dr. William Shapiro's research during 1940's
-Migraine relief
-Dr. Richard Rountree and Dr. Wagner's work in 1950's
-William McCullough and William Ingram's work
-Tic doubureux
-Painful tic
-John Foster Dulles
-Man who visited Dreyfus
-Philanthropist
-Relief from DPH
-Symptoms
-Other treatments
-Dr. Bergman of Bordeauz, France
-Results acknowledged, tested
-Hans Peter Jensen [?]
-Milton Henry [?]
-Dreyfus’s involvement with promoting DPH
-Dreyfus
-Medical problems
-Treatment
-Paper on DPH
-Epileptics
-Dreyfus’s health
-Treatment with DPH
-Dreyfus Medical Foundation
-Dr. Tanner
-Dr. Bogash [?]
-Research
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Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
-Johns Hopkins, Massachusetts General, Northwestern,
University of Pennsylvania
-Treatment of heart problems
-Baylor University
-Experiments
-Article
-Compared to epilepsy
-Mercer and Osbourne of Vancouver, Canada
-Arythmias
-Compared to other medicines
-American Medical Association [AMA] drug evaluations
-Work of Dreyfus Foundation
-Prisoners
-Use of DPH as mood altering drug
-Impact on attitudes, moods
-Linnus School for Boys [?]
-Retarded people
-Roosevelt Hospital, Maryland
-Drs. Stevens and Shaefer
-Johns Hopkins
-Anxiety treatment
-Mechanism of DPH
-Chemistry of DPH
-Role of Dreyfus Foundation in DPH research
-Published articles, reports
-Endorsements of DPH
-Psychiatrists, physicians
-Compared to narcotics
Negative assessment of DPH
-Gore Vidal [?]
-Prescriptions of DPH
-Number
-Use by doctors, psychiatrists
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Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
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Use of DPH
-Case histories
Dr. Arnold A. Hutschnecker
-New York
-Book, The Will to Live
President’s former physician
-Psychiatry
-Background
-Austin
DPH
-Parke Davis
-Referral to Dreyfus Medical Foundation
-Problem of getting a review
-Doctors
-FDA
-Doctors
-Lack of access
-Drug salesman
-Government
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Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
-Patent
-Expiration
-FDA approval
-Cost of production
-Competition with drug companies
-Savings to government
-Hospital bills
-Case histories
-Research
-Benefits
-Number of disorders to be treated, cured
-FDA
-Compartmentalization
-Doctors
-Experiments with DPH
-Scleradema disease [?]
-Treatment with DPH
-Oklahoma
-Article published in Spain
-Letters of those treated with DPH
-Book for President
-Jail studies
-Use as food supplement
-Use as an optional drug
Hutschnecker
-Visit from Dreyfus
-Expert on blood chemistry
-Effects of body chemistry on mental states
-Offices
-Location
Letters to Dreyfus
-Doctors
-On use of Dreyfus’s paper on DPH
Rose Mary Woods
-Hutschnecker
-Address
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Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
Hutschnecker
-Evaluation of DPH
Spiro T. Agnew
-Time to meet with Dreyfus
Rose Mary Woods entered at 12:54 pm.
Hutschnecker
-Address
-Analysis of DPH
-Address
-Woods's telephone call to Hutschnecker
-Book on DPH to Hutschnecker
-Belief in psychiatric analysis of world leaders
-Background
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-Internist with psychiatric experience
-Qualities
-Amount of time to discuss DPH
-Meeting with Dreyfus
-Case histories
-Data on drug
Elliot L. Richardson
-Talk with Dreyfus
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Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
Woods telephone calls to Hutschnecker, Dreyfus
Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
-Health Education and Welfare [HEW]
-Intelligence
-Talk with Dreyfus
-Time
-Analytical ability
-Visit to Maine island or Florida farm
Dreyfus attendance at White House parties
-Trip to Florida
Charles G. ("Bebe") Rebozo
-Talk with Dreyfus
-Time
Woods telephone call to Dreyfus
Dreyfus left at 1:04 pm; Woods remained.
An unknown man entered at 1:04 pm.
Refreshment
The unknown man left at an unknown time before 1:09 pm.
White House social affairs
-Staff members
-Invitation
-Reasons
-Stag dinners, contributors dinners
-Cabinet officers
-John B. Connally, Agnew
-Invitation to Mills Godwin
-List from Leonard Marks
-Staff members
-H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman, John D. Ehrlichman, Henry A. Kissinger, Peter M.
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Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
Flannigan
-Ehrlichman, Flannigan
-Invitation
-Herbert G. Klein
-Raymond K. Price, Jr., Leonard Garment, Ronald L. Ziegler
-Invitation
-Ezra Solomon
-Invitation
-Herbert Stein
-Wives [?]
Drawings
-Recipients
-Seal
-Peace
-President’s preference
-Number purchased
White House social affairs
-Haldeman
-Invitation
-Connally
-Dealings with President's supporters
-Prospective ambassadorial appointments
-Social engagements compared to political events
-Invitation to wife
-Entertainment
-Paul W. Keyes
-Irving Berlin
-Dick Martin and Dan Rowan
Bull entered at an unknown time after 1:04 pm.
President's meeting with Kissinger and George P. Shultz
Bull left at an unknown time before 1:09 pm.
White House dinner entertainment
-Woods meeting with Haldeman
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Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
-Rowan and Martin
Woods left at 1:09 pm.