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Start Date: 7-Mar-1973 10:54 PM

End Date: 7-Mar-1973 11:41 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Pappas, Thomas A.[Unknown person(s)]Shultz, George P.Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

871-005.mp3

NARA Description:

On March 7, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Thomas A. Pappas, unknown person(s), George P. Shultz, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:54 pm to 11:41 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 871-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 871-5
Date: March 7, 1973
Time: 10:54 am - 11:41 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Thomas C. Pappas; the White House photographer was present at the
beginning of the meeting.

       Photographs
            -Trustworthiness

       Henry J. Tasca
            -Assignment
                  -New position
                         -Assistant secretary
                         -Economic area
                  -Ambassador to Greece
                         -Retention
            -Retention in Greece
            -George P. Shultz's conversation with Tasca
            -Talk with Pappas
            -Experience in Korea
            -Tasca's wishes on assignment
                  -Greece
                  -Italy
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                -John A. Volpe
     -State Department
           -Middle East desk

Greek prime minister [George Papadopoulos
     -State visit
           -Anti-communist
                  -Problems
           -State Department
     -President’s support
           -Compared with Norway, Denmark
           -Timing of state visit
           -Greece’s independence
     -Pappas’s conversation
     -Pappas's visit to Washington, DC
     -Support for president
           -Respect, administration
           -Other countries
                  -Italy, France, Balkans
           -Prisoners of war [POWs] return
                  -Col. Robinson Risner [?]
     -Visit to us
           -Talk with President
           -Problems

Frank Birch [?]
     -Friend of Nixon family
     -Acquaintance with President
     -Gas distributor
           -Whittier
     -Conflict with oil companies
           -Pappas’s financial assistance
                 -Partnership with Standard Oil

Watergate
     -Pappas' activities
           -President's knowledge
           -Maurice H. Stans
           -Gratitude
     -Stans
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                                                               Conversation No. 871-5 (cont’d)


                  -Innocence
            -John N. Mitchell
                  -Innocence
            -Committee to Re-elect the President [CRP]
                  -Involvement
                  -Guilt
                         -Low level staff
            -Break-in
            -White House involvement
            -Pappas's support
            -Break-in
                  -Democratic National Committee [DNC]
                         -Value

       Paper for President
            -Copy for Shultz

       Meeting with Shultz
            -Arrival
            -Trip to Europe

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 10:54 am.

       Copies of a paper

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 11:01 am.

       Dinner for the President's supporters in the business community
            -Attendees
            -Army Chorus
                   -“Stout-Hearted Man”
            -Tricia Nixon Cox, Julie Nixon Eisenhower and Thelma C. (“Pat”)

       Shultz
             -Pappas’s greeting

       1960 election
            -Pappas, Leonard Garment
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. May-2010)
                                                            Conversation No. 871-5 (cont’d)


Shultz entered at 11:01 am.

       Pappas's memo on international monetary situation

Pappas left at 11:02 am.

       Shultz's trip to Europe
             -Length of time
             -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
             -Itinerary
                    -Paris
                    -Bonn
                    -Moscow
                    -Bonn
                    -London
                    -Brussels

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 11:02 am.

       Schedule
            -Henry A. Kissinger's attendance at meeting

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 11:10 am.

       Shultz's trip
             -Original schedule
                     -Rome, Moscow
             -Paris meeting
                     -Meeting with Italians
             -USSR
                     -Shultz's talk with Kissinger
                           -Political considerations
                     -Aleksei N. Kosygin
                     -Leonid I. Brezhnev

       US-USSR trade
           -Agreement [?]
                -Guidance [?]
           -Gas
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. May-2010)
                                                            Conversation No. 871-5 (cont’d)


             -Most Favored Nation [MFN] status
                  -President’s position
                        -Support
                        -Soviet Jewry
                              -Golda Meir

Kissinger entered at 11:10 am.

       US-USSR trade
           -MFN status
                -President’s commitment
                -US position on internal affairs in USSR
                      -Soviet Jewry
                 -Kissinger's talk with Dobrynin
                      -Brezhnev
                -Shultz’s talks with USSR
                      -Avoidance of topic of Soviet Jewry
                      -Congress
                      -Jackson Amendment

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 11:10 am.

       Refreshment

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 11:39 am.

       US-USSR trade
           -MFN status
                -Shultz’s talks with USSR
                       -Jackson Amendment
                       -USSR domestic issue
                       -Avoidance of topic of Soviet Jewry
                       -Rearrangement of procedure
                       -President’s commitment
                             -Brezhnev
                             -Re-approachment
                       -Kissinger’s conversation with Dobrynin
           -Natural gas
                -Shultz's handling
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      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                        Tape Subject Log
                         (rev. May-2010)
                                                Conversation No. 871-5 (cont’d)


            -Brezhnev’s visit to US
      -Shultz’s analysis
            -Price increases in US
                   -Speculation
                   -Supplies
                   -Impact on USSR prices
      -Protocol
            -Brezhnev’s visit to US
                   -Concessions
      -Gas companies
            -John B. Connally
            -William E. Simon
      -Negotiating protocol
            -US subsidies
            -Role of President in negotiations
            -Brezhnev's relationship with President
            -Significance for US-USSR diplomacy
            -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
            -Space agreements
            -Environment
            -Middle East
            -Europe
            -Vietnam
                   -Mining
            -Brezhnev's role
                   -Visit to US
-Export-Import Bank of the US [Ex-Im bank]
      -Credits for USSR
            -Kissinger’s talk with [First name unknown] Voroskov [?]
            -Shultz’s meeting with [First name unknown] Kemov [?]
            -Kemov’s meeting with [First name unknown] St. Rego [?]
-Grain trade
      -Shultz's view
      -Surpluses
            -US farm subsidies
      -Problems
            -Impact on markets of Soviet purchases
            -Sales to People’s Republic of China [PRC]
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                                                      Conversation No. 871-5 (cont’d)


PRC
      -David Packard
           -Meeting with President
           -Contract
                 -Research and development [R & D]
                 -Delays
                       -Coordinating Committee on Export Controls [COCOM] [?]
                 -Value of PRC trade
           -Kissinger's telephone call
                 -COCOM [?] list
                       -Overrule

International monetary situation
      -US leadership
            -Germany
                  -Political problem
            -Intervention
                  -William H. G. Fitzgerald
                         -Partner of Hornblower and Weeks
                         -Conversation with Shultz
                               -Europe
                               -Need for US leadership
                               -Flexible response
            -Europe’s reaction
                  -German secretary
            -Intervention
                  -US exchange rate adjustments
                         -Reluctance
                  -Political benefits
                         -Germany and Japan
            -Common float
                  -US support
                         -Germany’s reaction
                               -National float
                               -Domestic political consequences
      -Germany
            -Shultz’s talk with Helmut H. W. Schmidt
                  -Moderated common float
                         -Germany, Benelux, Switzerland, Denmark, Scandinavia
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      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                         Tape Subject Log
                          (rev. May-2010)
                                                 Conversation No. 871-5 (cont’d)


                   -France’s absence
            -US cooperation
                   -Managing currency floats
                   -Flexible guidelines
-Arthur F. Burns’s recommendation
      -Japan
            -Exchange rate adjustment
      -Basket exchange rate adjustment
      -Defense of rates
-Floating currency regimes
      -Concerns
            -Defense of exchange rates
-French elections
      -Gaullists compared with Socialist victory
            -Coalition with Center Party
            -Chile election
                   -Press coverage
                         -Electoral margin
            -Gerrymander
                   -Impact on political like
      -Giscard d'Estaing
            -Monetary preferences
                   -Intervention
      -Shultz's visit
            -Georges J. R. Pompidou
            -Statements regarding France
                   -Monetary position
                   -Gaulist Party
            -Pompidou
                   -Kissinger's talk with French Ambassador [Jacques Kosciusko-
                     Morizet
            -Shultz's statements
                   -US leadership
                   -Support for Pompidou
-Germany
      -Schmidt
            -Call to Kissinger
            -Political views
                   -Successor to Willy Brandt
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. May-2010)
                                                              Conversation No. 871-5 (cont’d)


                         -Domestic position
                                -US role
                   -Floating German Mark
                         -US role
                                -Germany’s resolution
                                -Intervention
                         -Relationship to US dollar
                                -Removal of bans
                         -Stabilization of Mark
                         -Relationship to Franc
                                -Floating Franc
                                -Impact on farm sector
                                -Political fallout in Germany
                   -US cooperativeness
                         -Massive intervention
                                -Yen, Franc, Mark
                   -Schmidt
                         -Diplomatic manner
                         -Domestic situation
                                -National float
                         -Call to Kissinger
                         -US support
                                -Flexible system
                                -Impact on France-Germany relations

       President’s schedule

       Treasury Department
            -Helmut (“Hal”) Sonnenfeldt
                  -Abilities
                  -Work at Treasury
                        -East-West trade, USSR trade
                  -Kissinger's agreement with Shultz
                  -June 1973 US-USSR summit

Kissinger left at 11:39 am.

       Commission on Industrial Peace
           -Organization
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. May-2010)
                                                              Conversation No. 871-5 (cont’d)


                  -Management Committee
                  -Subgroups
                         -Transportation
                         -Mass production
             -David Coe
                  -Steel strike
                  -Chairman
             -Frank E. Fitzsimmons
                  -Meeting with John T. Dunlop
                  -Concerns about James M. Roche
                         -General Motors [GM], chief executive

       George Meany
            -Dunlop
                  5.5 per cent wage settlement
            -Meeting with Shultz and Dunlop
                  -5.5 per cent wage settlement
                         -President’s support
                  -Press relations
                         -President’s statement
                               -2.5 per cent inflation rate
            -Meeting with Dunlop
            -Shultz’s return
                  -Labor-management Advisory Committee

The President and Shultz left at 11:41 am.