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Start Date: 15-Mar-1973 5:36 PM

End Date: 15-Mar-1973 6:24 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Dean, John W., IIIMoore, Richard A.[Unknown person(s)]Bull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

880-024.mp3

NARA Description:

On March 15, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, John W. Dean, III, Richard A. Moore, unknown person(s), and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:36 pm to 6:24 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 880-024 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 880-24

Date: March 15, 1973
Time: 5:36 pm-6:24 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John W. Dean, III and Richard A. Moore.

       President's press conference
             -Previous discussion with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman, Ronald L.
              Ziegler


             -Announcement of Dr. David K. E. Bruce
                  -People's Republic of China [PRC] liaison
                  -Significance
                        -Importance of PRC ambassador
                              -Democrat
                                       54-
                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. June-10)
                                                Conversation No. 880-24 (cont’d)



      President's press conference
            -Watergate
                   -Policy topics
                         -Lack of press interest
                   -Dean
            -Questions on Watergate
                   -Press interest
                   -Donald H. Segretti
                   -Dean
            -Other questions
                   -Cease-fire
                   -Stockpiles
            -Past conferences
                   -Dwight D. Eisenhower era
                   -Previous consultation
            -President's handling of conference
            -Headlines
                   -Dean
                   -Washington Star
                   -Foreign policy
                   -Associated press [AP]
                         -Court test
            -Press
                   -Future stories
                   -Hostility to administration
                   -Strategy in the future

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 5:36 pm.

      Refreshment

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 6:24 pm.

      President's press conference
            -Ronald L. Ziegler's role
            -Future comments
            -Transcripts
                   -Senate responses
            -Ervin committee
                   -Court test over executive privilege
                                      55-
                 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
                              Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. June-10)
                                               Conversation No. 880-24 (cont’d)


              -President's response
[PROCESSING NOTE: WITHDRAWAL NO. 2 HAS BEEN DECLASSIFIED IN FULL]

          -Vietnam
                -North Vietnamese infiltration
                      -President’s response
          -Watergate
                -Dwight L. Chapin and Herbert W. Kalmbach
                -President's handling of questions
                -Defensiveness
                      -Ziegler's statements
                -Administration's cooperativeness
                      -Alger Hiss case
                             -Difference from Watergate
                             -News story
                                   -Henry A. Kissinger
                             -Harry S Truman's order
                                   -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
                -Dean report
                      -Question
                -Peter Lisagor and Mary McGrory
                      -Questions for Moore
                      -Hiss and Watergate case
                             -National security issues
                -Dan Rather's questions
                      -Raw files
                             -Disclosure to Congress in Hiss case
                             -J. Edgar Hoover's policy
                             -Lisagor
          -Dean report
                -Questions
                      -President's answers
                -Information for public
          -Court test
                -President's answer
                      -Effectiveness
          -Press
                -Proper response
                      -Answers to questions
                      -Courtesy
     Watergate
                                        56-
                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. June-10)
                                                 Conversation No. 880-24 (cont’d)


             -L. Patrick Gray, III
                   -Conversation with Dean
                         -Meeting with Samuel J. Ervin, Jr., and Howard H. Baker, Jr.
                   -FBI reports
                         -Disclosure
                               -Hoover's policy
                   -Raw files
                         -Privacy
                         -White House staff reports
                         -Contents
                               -Validity
                               -Dangers of disclosure
                         -President's policy on disclosure
                   -FBI raw files
                         -Hoover's policy
                         -Gray
                         -Hoover's policy
                               -Instance of disclosure of raw data to congressional committee in
                                1948
                                      -Internal security investigation
                                      -Vote fraud case
                                            -Kansas City

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:36 pm.

       Delivery of letter to Robert C/ (“Bob”) Wilson

Bull left at an unknown time before 6:24 pm.

       Watergate
            -FBI raw files
                  -Disclosure
                        -American Civil Liberties Union [ACLU]
                        -Truman's order
                              -Newspaper support with exception of Chicago Tribune and New
                               York Daily News
            -Hiss case
                  -Opposition to President's committee
                        -Press
                        -President's cracking of case
            -Administration's cooperation with committee
                           57-
      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
                   Tape Subject Log
                     (rev. June-10)
                                    Conversation No. 880-24 (cont’d)


     -Press reaction
           -New York Times, Washington Post
     -Separation of powers
           -President's responsibility
     -Executive privilege
           -Separation of powers
                  -Statement
                        -Constitutional responsibility
                  -Truman's firing of Gen. Douglas A. MacArthur
                        -Bombing of China
                        -President's support
           -Justification of position
                  -Ziegler's statement
     -Gray
           -Position on raw files disclosure
           -Executive privilege
     -Ervin Committee
           -White House staff testimony
     -Court test on staff testimony
           -Chapin, Charles W. Colson
           -Chapin
                  -Weak points
                        -Kalmbach
                        -Colson
                        -Segretti
-Chapin
     -White House statement
           -Letter to President
                  -Apology
                  -Explanation
           -Activities in campaign
                  -Richard (“Dick”) Tuck
                  -Segretti
                  -Pranksterism
                  -Culpability
                  -Hiring of Segretti
           -Testimony
                  -Pranks
                  -Other duties
                  -Administration's position
                  -Haldeman
                     58-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
             Tape Subject Log
               (rev. June-10)
                              Conversation No. 880-24 (cont’d)


             -Duties
      -Statement for Senate
             -Possibilities
-Ervin Committee
      -White House staff testimony
      -Television
             -Chapin
             -Haldeman
             -Colson
      -Edward M. (‘Ted”) Kennedy
-Colson
      -Testimony to Senate
             -Administration's position
      -Ties to E. Howard Hunt, Jr.
             -Chapin
-Court tests on testimony
      -Delays
             -Advantages to administration
             -Duration
      -Supreme Court
      -President's statement
      -Separation of powers issue
      -Advantages
      -Dean testimony
             -Court rulings
             -Dean's privilege as counsel to President
      -Congressional reluctance
             -Robert C. Byrd
             -Samuel J. Ervin, Jr.'s position
      -Congressional position
             -Decisions and options
      -Advantages to administration
-Ervin
      -Knowledge of Constitution
-Daniel K. Inouye
-White House statement
-Press
      -Treatment of Ziegler
      -Ziegler's handling
      -President's statements to Ervin
-Ervin committee
                     59-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
             Tape Subject Log
               (rev. June-10)
                              Conversation No. 880-24 (cont’d)


      -White House statements
      -Compared to Hiss case
      -Hearsay
      -Guilt by association
      -Senators' questions
            -Use of rules of court
                   -Hearsay
      -Ervin's conduct of committee
            -President's handling of Hiss case
                   -Cooperation with FBI
                         -L. B. Nichols
                         -Hoover
                   -Leaks
                         -FBI
                         -Hollywood Ten
                   -Breaking of case
                         -Robert Stripling
                   -Editorials
                         -Herblock cartoons
                   -Whittaker Chambers
                   -Potential for dramatization in television series
                   -Stripling
                         -Dislike of Drew Pearson and the Left
-White House staff
      -Stripling comparison with Chapin, Colson
      -Aggressiveness
-Hiss case
      -Cooperation with Stripling
      -President's age
      -Attacks on establishment, Congress, State Department
      -New York Times, Washington Post, St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Louisville
       Courier
      -Impact
      -Alger Hiss
            -Background
                   -Dean G. Acheson
                   -Harvard
            -Defense fund
                   -McGeorge Bundy
                         -Contribution
            -Moore's view
                     60-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
             Tape Subject Log
               (rev. June-10)
                              Conversation No. 880-24 (cont’d)


    -July confrontation of Hiss and Chambers
    -Testimony
    -Chambers' dentist [Dr. Hitchcock]
    -Perjury
    -Automobile purchase transaction
    -Intellectuals
           -Hunger for power
    -Trial
    -Pumpkin papers
    -Moore
           -Work in President’s campaign in 1950
    -Hiss' background
           -Moore's visits to Georgetown in 1945
                  -Stories of Hiss's communist leanings
                  -Halperin [sp?] [first name unknown]
    -President's committee in 1948
           -Staff
                  -Stripling
           -Amount of work
    -Work with FBI
           -Cooperation
                  -National security concerns
           -Information
                  -Disclosure
                        -Espionage
                        -Hoover
                        -Raw files
    -FBI report
           -Leak to President's committee
    -Press
           -Lisagor
           -James B. (“Scotty”) Reston
           -Hatred for President
    -Ervin committee
           -Possible subpoenas
                  -Chapin
           -Republicans
                  -Statements
           -Administration's cooperation
                  -Extent
                                       61-
                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. June-10)
                                                Conversation No. 880-24 (cont’d)


Dean and Moore left at 6:24 pm.