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Start Date: 16-Mar-1973 10:34 AM

End Date: 16-Mar-1973 11:10 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Dean, John W., III[Unknown person(s)]Ziegler, Ronald L.

Recording Device: Oval Office

881-003.mp3

NARA Description:

On March 16, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, John W. Dean, III, unknown person(s), and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:34 am to 11:10 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 881-003 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 881-3

Date: March 16, 1973
Time: 10:34 am -11:10 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John W. Dean III.

       Watergate
            -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] files disclosure to investigation
                  -Press conference question
                  -Richard G. Kleindienst's meeting with Samuel J. Ervin, Jr. and Howard H.
                   Baker, Jr.
                        -Evaluated report on files
                  -Inspection by committee counsel
                        -Limits on disclosure
                        -Previous agreements with J. Edgar Hoover
                  -L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III's testimony to Judiciary Committee
                        -Raw files
                               -Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
                               -Roman L. Hruska's inspection
                               -Limits on raw files
                               -James O. Eastland
            -Gray
                  -FBI investigations
                        -Control
                        -Credibility of FBI
            -Dean report
                  -Richard A. Moore
                  -Oral report
                  -Summary of findings
                  -Briefing of Ziegler, White House staff
                        -Cooperation with Congress
                               -Washington Star reports
                        -White House clarifications
            -FBI files
                  -Kennedy
                  -Judiciary Committee
                        -Chairman, ranking members
                  -Gray
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      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                          Tape Subject Log
                           (rev. July-2010)
                                                   Conversation No. 881-3 (cont’d)


            -Release to Attorney General
                   -Propriety
                   -Gray's testimony
      -Meeting with Ervin and Baker
            -Administration's position
      -Baker's statements on television [TV]
            -Kleindienst
            -Previous conversation with President
                   -Discussion of issues and ground rules
                   -Options
            -Baker's motives
-John N. Mitchell
      -Talk with Baker
-Baker
      -Talk with President
            -Contents
      -Contacts with Kleindienst
      -Influence of Washington, D.C. on attitudes
            -Lowell P. Weicker, Jr.
      -Edward J. Gurney
      -Position on Watergate
            -Political aspirations
      -Fred D. Thompson
            -Dealings with Samuel Dash
-Ervin Committee
      -Investigation of charges against Democrats
            -Publicity
            -Barry M. Goldwater speech
                   -Letter to Ervin
            -William H. Sullivan
                   -Material
                   -Call to Dean
                   -Lyndon B. Johnson
                          -Amount of material
      -Need to broaden investigation
-Democrats
      -Strength, organization
-Press
      -Detroit News
      -Inadequacies of White House efforts
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      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                         Tape Subject Log
                          (rev. July-2010)
                                                  Conversation No. 881-3 (cont’d)


-President's image
      -Protection
      -Dangers
      -Disclosure of information
             -Dean testimony
             -Watergate
             -Donald H. Segretti
-Disclosure of information
      -Briefing of Ziegler
      -Strategy
             -Dean report
                   -Oral report
                   -Responses to committee
             -Post election
                   -Full disclosure
                          -Dangers
                          -Advantages
      -Cover-up
      -Interviews of White House staff at White House offices by Dash
             -Pre-emption of hearings
      -Full disclosure
             -Problems
-Ervin Committee
      -Baker
             -Court challenge
             -Credibility
             -Expressions of concern
-Work by Dean and Moore
      -Need for master plan
             -Stay at Camp David
             -Mitchell
                   -Judgment
             -John D. Ehrlichman, Maurice H. Stans
                   -G. Harrold Carswell, Kleindienst, Gray
-Cover-up
      -Avoidance
             -Necessity
             -Presidency
      -Ziegler's answer on Dwight L. Chapin and Segretti at press conference
             -Misleading statements
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. July-2010)
                                                               Conversation No. 881-3 (cont’d)


             -News summary
                  -Note to Dean from President
                        -FBI agent's comments
                        -Herbert W. Kalmbach
                        -FBI files
             -Dean's meeting with Ziegler

An unknown man entered at an unknown time between 10:34 am and 10:58 am.

       Request for Ziegler's attendance at meeting

       Watergate
            -TV coverage of press conference
                  -National Broadcasting Company [NBC]
                         -John W. Chancellor
                  -President's responses to questions
                         -Credibility
                         -Advantages of TV
            -President's credibility
                  -Necessity
            -Ervin Committee
                  -Activities, thinking
                         -White House knowledge
                  -Attitude of members
                         -Gurney, Baker

Ziegler entered at 10:58 am.

             -White House strategy
                  -FBI files
                        -Kleindienst's report to Ervin and Baker
                        -Disclosure
                        -Answer to press
                              -Limitations, guidelines
                              -Hoover precedent
                  -Statement on disclosure
                        -Raw files
                              -Danger to innocent people
                        -Committee chairman
                              -Ervin
                                                 -9-

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                          Tape Subject Log
                                           (rev. July-2010)
                                                                Conversation No. 881-3 (cont’d)


                             -White House policy
                             -Kleindienst
                                   -Ervin and Baker
                     -Gray
                          -Orders from White House
                          -Supervision of Attorney General
                     -Leaks to press from Judiciary Committee
                          -Kalmbach
                     -White House policy
             -Gray
                   -Testimony
                   -Disclosure of information
             -Dean report
                   -Format
                   -Statements
                         -Ehrlichman
             -Kleindienst's meeting with Ervin and Baker
                   -Ziegler's comments to press
                   -President's meeting with Baker
                         -White House staff appearances before Committee
                                -President's opposition
                         -Ervin's knowledge
                         -Baker's statement
                         -Baker's ideas on testimony
                                -Stans
                                -Mitchell
                                -President's view
                                -White House staff
             -White House staff
                   -Testimony before Committee

Dean's call to Kleindienst

Dean left at 11:06 am.

       Dean's job
            -Difficulties

       President's press conference
             -TV coverage
                                             -10-

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. July-2010)
                                                              Conversation No. 881-3 (cont’d)


                   -Watergate
             -Issues covered in T.V. coverage
                   -Food prices, Dr. David K. E. Bruce's appointment
                   -Vietnam settlement

       Watergate
            -Ziegler's statement
                  -Cooperation of administration
                         -President's orders
                               -Limitations
                         -Past precedents
            -Ziegler's briefing on Watergate
            -Problem of cover-up
                  -Segretti
                  -Protection of President
            -Ervin Committee
                  -Work with White House
                         -Complete disclosure of facts
                         -Concern for innocent
            -Ziegler's comments for press
                  -Past statements
                         -Stans
                  -Referral to President's statement

       President's press conference
             -TV coverage
                    -Ziegler's evaluation
             -Press hostility
             -Press respect for President
                    -Firmness
             -Wire services
                    -Reactions
             -Networks, morning newspapers
                    -Washington Star

Ziegler left at 11:10 am.
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. July-2010)