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Start Date: 2-May-1973 8:44 AM

End Date: 2-May-1973 9:25 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Agnew, Spiro T. (Vice President)Shultz, George P.Stein, HerbertBurns, Arthur F.Ash, Roy L.Dunlop, John T.Cole, Kenneth R., Jr.

Recording Device: Oval Office

909-003a.mp3

NARA Description:

On May 2, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, George P. Shultz, Herbert Stein, Arthur F. Burns, Roy L. Ash, John T. Dunlop, and Kenneth R. Cole, Jr. met in the Oval Office of the White House from 8:44 am to 9:25 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 909-003 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 909-3

Date: May 2, 1973
Time: 8:44 am - 9:25 am
Location: Oval Office
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                       Tape Subject Log 

                                      (rev. October-2012)

                                                               Conversation No. 909-3 (cont’d)

The President met with Spiro T. Agnew, George P. Shultz, Herbert G. Stein, Arthur F. Burns,
Roy L. Ash, John T. Dunlop, and Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.

       Greetings

       Quadriad
             -Intellect
                     -Burns
                              -President’s conversation with David Rockefeller, May 1

       Economic Stabilization Act 

             -President’s signing statement           

                    -Stein’s memorandum


       Meeting format       

             -Briefing on national economy 

                     -Stein       

             -Recommendations          

                     -Dunlop, Shultz      


       Inflation        

               -Gross national product [GNP] 

               -Forecasts          

               -Profits and output         

               -Food         

                       -Effect of weather         

               -Wage increases           

                       -Consumer Price Index           

               -Farm products          

                       -Effects of weather           

                       -Decline in prices        

                               -Retail food prices
                               -Department of Agriculture [USDA] reports
                               -Wholesale prices
               -Wholesale Price Index          

                       -Timing of release          

               -Farming          

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           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. October-2012)

                                                                Conversation No. 909-3 (cont’d)

               -Field conditions          

                       -Dryness         

                       -Machinery           

                       -Rain        

       -Cost of Living Council [COLC] meeting 

               -Donald A. Paarlberg’s remarks           

                       -Corn crops          

                              -Compared to wheat                

       -Wages          

               -Settlement        

                       -Consumer Price Index        

       -Fiscal restraint       

               -Compared to monetary restraint              

                       -Burns         


Economic Stabilization Act
      -May 3 decision
      -Price control program
      -Fiscal, monetary tightening
      -Concern
              -Prosperity         

                      -18 months          

      -Phase III wage and price control program [Phase III] 

              -Pre-notification        

                      -COLC          

                      -30-day freeze         

                      -Price increase compliance          

                      -500 largest corporations         

                              -1.5 percent price increase
                      -“Administrative device”
                              -Records retention by smaller companies
      -Wage settlements           

              -Rubber industry          

              -General Electric         

              -Steel       

              -Meat packing industry           

              -Trucking industry          

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           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. October-2012)

                                                        Conversation No. 909-3 (cont’d)

              -Automobile industry             

                       -September          

       -Pre-notification         

              -Compared to past practice              

              -Price increase          

                       -Justification        

       -Wage settlements           

              -Meat packing industry              

                       -Collective bargaining agreement          

                               -Iowa Beef
                                       -Strike
                                       -Willie J. Usery
                                       -Extensions
                                       -Effect on Armour-Swift negotiations
                                                 -Strike
                                                 -Usery
              -Unions’ restraint
                       -Relative wages
                               -Impact of stabilization program, 1971-1973
                                       -Compared to 1967-1970
                       -Industrial relations
                               -Steel industry
                               -International trade

Budget deficits
      -Receipts estimate         

               -Announcement          

               -Compared to outlays        

                      -Savings       

                             -Legislation      

                                    -Medicare payments           

      -Interest on national debt 

      -Congress         

      -President’s budget proposal        

               -Defense Department budget

Economic Stabilization Act
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            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. October-2012)

                                                           Conversation No. 909-3 (cont’d)

       -Phase III       

              -Effect on prices, psychology         

              -Cost of administration          

              -Wage-and-price freeze            

                      -Temporary effects          

                      -Consequence         

                      -Price increase        


Fixed capital investment
       -Growth and stagnation
                -Possible recession
       -Variable investment tax credit 

                -Purpose         

                -Congress          

                       -Perception of tax increase
                       -Wilbur D. Mills’s opposition
                               -Conversation with Shultz
                               -Democrats

Ways and Means Committee
      -Hearing schedule and topics 

             -Shultz’s testimony          

             -Trade, taxes       


Variable investment tax credit
       -Stein’s interview
       -Possible proposal
       -Burns’s, Shultz’s testimony to Ways and Means Committee
       -Politics compared with economics
       -Possible impact
       -Ways and Means Committee’s schedule
       -Mills
       -Burns’s consultation with Mills
       -Timing of legislation
               -Restraint and stimulus      

       -Burns’s consultation with Mills 

               -Confidential talks       

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            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. October-2012)

                                                        Conversation No. 909-3 (cont’d)

               -Speculation        

                      -[Unintelligible name]

                             -Capital investment
                                     -Tax credit
                                     -Investment boom
                      -President’s assessment

Forthcoming statement on Phase III
       -Preparation
              -President’s role, Stein’s role
                     -Mildred Stein [?]

President’s schedule
       -Labor-Management Advisory Committee meeting
       -Wage agreements
               -Steel industry         

               -Rubber industry             

               -I. W. Abel and R. Heath Larry 

               -Frank E. Fitzsimmons               

                       -Contract          

               -National Commission of Industrial Peace 

               -George Meany             

                       -Absence             

                               -Florida           

               -David L. Cole
                       -Attendance
                       -National Commission for Industrial Peace
                               -Joint chairman       

               -Industrial peace            

               -Abel and Larry            

                       -Steel pact            

               -Schedule          

                       -Department of the Treasury        

               -President’s arrival             

               -Duration         

               -Progress of group              

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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                                        Tape Subject Log 

                                                       (rev. October-2012)

                                                                             Conversation No. 909-3 (cont’d)

       President’s conversation with Willy Brandt
              -Great Britain
                      -Underemployment
                             -England compared with Japan, Germany
                      -Labor problem
                             -Union solidarity, strength
                                     -Compared to US

       Edward R. G. Heath 

             -Leadership               

             -Popularity           

                    -People                    

                    -Unions                        


       Great Britain        

              -US interests                


       Phase III      

              -Dunlop’s briefing                         


       National economy
              -Boom and inflation
                     -Compared to recession and inflation prior to August 15, 1971
                     -Goals of actions
              -Employment figures

       Trustworthiness

       President’s schedule      

              -Possible Quadriad meeting                         


Agnew et al. left at 9:25 am.
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                        Tape Subject Log 

                                       (rev. October-2012)