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Start Date: 11-May-1973 8:27 AM

End Date: 11-May-1973 9:16 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ziegler, Ronald L.Woods, Rose MaryWhite House operatorKissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

916-008.mp3

NARA Description:

On May 11, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, Rose Mary Woods, White House operator, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 8:27 am to 9:16 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 916-008 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 916-8

Date: May 11, 1973
Time: 8:27 am - 9:16 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.

     Lead news stories
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              -Watergate indictment

Rose Mary Woods entered at an unknown time after 8:27 am.


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       President’s schedule
             -Camp David
             -Church
             -Woods’s forthcoming telephone calls to Julie Nixon Eisenhower and Tricia Nixon
              Cox

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       Telephone calls      

            -John N. Mitchell      

            -Maurice H. Stans       

                  -Kathleen (Carmody) Stans      

                        -Devotion      

                  -Ties to Herbert W. Kalmbach 


Woods left at an unknown time before 8:30 am.
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       Television [TV] appearances after Robert L. Vesco case indictments
            -Stans
            -Statement
            -Mitchell’s statement

       Forthcoming press briefing 

             -Gerald L. Warren      

             -Pending cases      

                  -Mitchell, Stans

       Julie Nixon Eisenhower’s TV appearance


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       Watergate      

            -White House response        

            -John W. Chancellor’s      

            -Vesco       

            -Daniel Ellsberg      

                  -Wiretaps     

                        -Morton H. Halperin                 

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                -W. Matthew Byrne’s forthcoming ruling
                -Pentagon Papers
           Leaks, 1969-1971       

                -Patrick J. Buchanan      

                -Ralph Nader and Ellsberg    


The White House operator talked with the President at 8:30 am.

[Conversation No. 916-8A]

[Begin telephone conversation]

[See Conversation No. 45-220]

[End telephone conversation]

     Watergate
          -Press coverage
          -President’s conversation with Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
          -Press
          -John W. Dean, III
          -Ziegler’s conversation with Nicholas P. Thimmesch, May 10
                -Thimmesch’s experience with Time
                      -Hugh S. Sidey
                            -1960 campaign
                                  -Pierre Salinger
                                  -John F. Kennedy’s statement regarding blacks
                                  -Press standards
                -News media’s opinion of the President
                -Use of news media         

                      -1968       

                      -1970-1971        

          -Ervin Committee hearings          

                -Robert C. Odle, Jr.      

                -Lawrence M. Higby           

                -James W. McCord, Jr.          

                -Dean and Mitchell        

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           -Dean       

                 -Comments, May 10          

           -President’s handling       

                 -Ziegler’s conversation with Thimmesch      

           -President’s opponents in media 

                 -Goal
                       -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman, John D. Ehrlichman, Mitchell and Stans
                       -President
                       -President’s principles
                 -Katherine L. Graham and Thomas W. Braden
                       -Goals
                 -Chancellor
                 -Washington Post and New York Times
                 -Goal
                 -White House response
                       -Buchanan
                       -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
                       -Franklin R. Gannon
                       -Tex McCrary
                 -Goal       

                       -President’s principles    


The President talked with Henry A. Kissinger between 8:43 am and 8:44 am.

[Conversation No. 916-8B]

[Begin telephone conversation]

[See Conversation No. 45-221]

[End telephone conversation]

     Watergate      

          -President’s opponents in news media 

                -Goal      

                      -President’s principles    

                             -Domestic policy      

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                   -Foreign policy
                   -President compared to others
                           -Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
                           -John B. Connally
                           -Spiro T. Agnew
-Ziegler’s press briefing, May 10
      -President’s foreign policy
-President’s opponents in news media
      -Goal
            -President
      -White House reaction           

            -Ziegler’s forthcoming meeting with Alexander M. Haig, Jr. 

            -Buchanan           

            -Price       

            -Haldeman          

            -President’s reception for prisoners of war [POWs] 

-Mitchell, Stans, L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III, Haldeman, Ehrlichman, and Charles W.
 Colson 

      -Effect of allegations        

      -Actions        

            -Compared with Robert F. (“Bobby”) Kennedy and the President in 1960
              and 1962
            -Compared with Lyndon B. Johnson and Barry M. Goldwater
                   -J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr.
      -Effect of allegations
            -President
-Compared with John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy, Johnson, and Federal Bureau
 of Investigation [FBI]
      -The President’s conversation with J. Edgar Hoover
-Focus
      -Wiretapping
      -Colson, E. Howard Hunt, Jr. and G[eorge] Gordon Liddy
-Wiretapping
      -Compared with previous administrations
-Campaign dirty tricks
      -“Canuck Letter”
      -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson letter
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     -Cover-up        

     -White House response            

     -President’s orders for full disclosure 

           -Haldeman and Ehrlichman               

           -Ziegler’s conversation with Haldeman            

           -Richard A. Moore              

           -Donald H. Segretti             

           -Ehrlichman’s report              

     -Ellsberg case
           -Possible wiretaps           

                  -Hunt        

                  -Hoover         

                  -Halperin         

     -Wiretaps
           -Ziegler’s forthcoming press briefing        

                  -National security leaks          

                  -FBI procedures               

                          -Mitchell           

           -Files       


Declassification
     -Ngo Dinh Diem’s death

Watergate
     -Gray       

           -Statement concerning conversation with the President 

           -Telephone conversation with the President 

                 -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]

           -Telephone conversation with Ziegler       

                 -Gray’s conversation with the President     

           -Gray’s meeting with the President 

     -President’s conversation with Dean, September 15, 1972 

           -Investigation       

           -Haldeman        

           -White House involvement        

     -Dean       

           -Documents         

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                                                        Conversation No. 916-8 (cont’d)

           -Credibility

President’s forthcoming speech on election reform
      -Blue ribbon commission
      -Timing
      -Hugh Scott
      -President’s schedule
            -Possible meeting with Congressional leaders 

      -Ziegler’s forthcoming conversation with Leonard Garment 

      -President’s schedule         

            -Bipartisan Congressional leaders
                   -William E. Timmons         

      -Preparation by Ziegler and Garment 

      -Scope of Election Reform Commission 

            -Financing
            -Abusive practices        

                   -Reform        

                   -Violence        

            -Legal reform

      -Leak by White House 

      -Draft by Garment         

      -Scope of Election Reform Commission 

            -Size of contributions       

                   -George S. McGovern and teachers’ union 

                   -President and milk producers       

                   -Restrictions on unions, other groups   


1972 presidential campaign
     -Effect on election

Watergate
     -White House response
          -President’s efforts for full disclosure 

                -Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Moore and Ziegler           

                -Forthcoming news story           

          -Democrats’ campaign violations            

                -Haig       

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                        -Buchanan
                        -Violence
                        -Finances
                        -Robert J. Dole’s office
                  -White House staff replacements for Haldeman and Colson
                  -Ehrlichman’s report to the President, April 14
                        -President’s meeting with Richard G. Kleindienst, April 15
                        -Dean
                        -Mitchell

      White House staff
           -William J. Baroody, Jr. 

                 -Office staff         

                 -Function       

                       -George H. W. Bush and Republican National Committee [RNC]
           -Communications office              

                 -Herbert G. Klein           

                 -Manipulation of press           

                 -Kenneth W. Clawson             

                 -Thimmesch             

           -Timmons’s office            

                 -Congressional relations            

                 -Memoranda              

                       -Veracity           

                 -Communication strategy               

                 -Timmons          

                 -Departmental officials           

                 -Goldwater          


      Press coverage       

            -Lead news stories    

                  -Ziegler’s mood     

            -Henry A. Kissinger     

            -Soviet Summit announcement         

                  -Traction

Ziegler left at 9:16 am.
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