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Conversation: 917-002

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Start Date: 14-May-1973 8:56 AM

End Date: 14-May-1973 10:50 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ziegler, Ronald L.Haig, Alexander M., Jr.Higby, Lawrence M.

Recording Device: Oval Office

917-002.mp3

NARA Description:

On May 14, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., and Lawrence M. Higby met in the Oval Office of the White House from 8:56 am to 10:50 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 917-002 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 917-2

Date: May 14, 1973
Time: 8:56 am - 10:50 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.

     Watergate      

          -Press coverage       

                -New York Times story 

                      -John W. Dean, III’s activities  

                -Dean’s statement to Newsweek

                      -Report       

                      -Effects      

                            -President
                            -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and John D. Ehrlichman
          -Dean       

                -Statements concerning report        

                -Report      

                      -Effect of statements
                            -Ehrlichman, Haldeman
                                  -2-

       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                           Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. June-2012)

                                                    Conversation No. 917-2 (cont’d)

             -Guidance to Ziegler and Patrick J. Buchanan
                   -Ehrlichman
             -Statements to Gerald L. Warren
                   -Ehrlichman’s orders
             -Ziegler’s forthcoming meeting with J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr. and Alexander
              M. Haig, Jr.
             -Access to Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] reports
             -Meetings with the President
-Daniel L. Schorr
      -Investigation
-Dean
      -Resignation
             -Meeting with the President
                   -Timing
                   -Richard G. Kleindienst [?]
                   -Ehrlichman’s and Haldeman’s resignations
                   -Immunity
             -President’s meeting with Henry E. Petersen
                   -Justice Department
      -Forthcoming grand jury appearance, May 14
             -Haldeman [?]
-L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III
      -Testimony before grand jury and Ervin Committee staff
             -Buzhardt’s view
             -Phone conversation with the President regarding investigation
      -Alleged FBI warnings regarding White House
-Ziegler’s forthcoming meeting with Buchanan
-FBI investigation
      -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]

             -Lt. Gen. Vernon A. Walters’s possible testimony 

-President’s knowledge
      -Cover-up
      -Break-in
      -Extent compared to knowledge of Haldeman and Ehrlichman
      -Gray and Dean
      -President’s meeting with Dean, May 21
             -President’s subsequent investigation
                                   -3-

         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                           Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. June-2012)

                                                    Conversation No. 917-2 (cont’d)

             -Subornation of perjury     

             -William O. Bittman      

             -Haldeman and Ehrlichman        

             -Jeb Stuart Magruder      

             -Haldeman and Ehrlichman        

                   -Transfer of funds
        -Dean’s knowledge
             -Dissemination
-Gray
      -Knowledge
            -Dissemination
      -Conversation with Ziegler
            -FBI investigation
      -Conversation with the President      

            -FBI investigation       

            -Walters       

      -Conversation with Ziegler
            -Revelation to Buzhardt
            -Gray’s conversation with the President regarding investigation
      -Meeting with the President       

            -Investigation      

-White House staff involvement
      -Dean
      -Magruder and John N. Mitchell
      -Haldeman, Ehrlichman and Dean
-President’s role
      -Dean report
      -Ziegler’s conversation with Buzhardt
      -E. Howard Hunt, Jr. and G[eorge] Gordon Liddy
            -Plumbers operation
                  -President’s order      

      -Motives of participants       

      -Leaks      

            -Ziegler’s conversation with Buzhardt       

            -Hunt, Liddy and Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr. 

            -Daniel Ellsberg, Pentagon Papers       

                  -Wiretaps
                           -4-

 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                    Tape Subject Log
                     (rev. June-2012)

                                           Conversation No. 917-2 (cont’d)

            -Break-in of psychiatrist’s office
-Motives of participants
-Hunt, Liddy
-CIA
      -Walters and Richard M. Helms             

      -President’s conversation with Haig, May 13 

      -Helms       

            -Presidential assessment
      -Ehrlichman’s role       

            -Ellsberg investigation         

            -Request for support for Hunt         

      -Wiretaps      

            -J. Edgar Hoover          

      -Hunt and Liddy
            -Employment with the Committee to Re-Elect the President [CRP]
            -Motives of unnamed individual regarding CIA
                  -FBI investigation          

                        -Helms, Ehrlichman, Walters     

      -Bernard L. Barker        

            -Bay of Pigs
      -President’s meeting with Ehrlichman
      -Haldeman’s and Ehrlichman’s meeting with Walters and Helms
      -Walters’s meetings with Dean
            -Funds for defendants         

            -Request for Presidential authorization   

                  -Ehrlichman           

      -Dean’s possible story        

            -Ehrlichman
-President’s response to charges
-Knowledge of Haldeman and Ehrlichman
      -President’s knowledge
-Clemency
      -President’s meeting with Charles W. Colson 

            -Dorothy Hunt         

            -Promise of clemency          

-President’s response to charges
      -Dean’s report
                               -5-

       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                        Tape Subject Log
                         (rev. June-2012)

                                               Conversation No. 917-2 (cont’d)

            -Herbert W. Kalmbach and Thomas A. Pappas
                   -Funds for defendants        

      -Ziegler and Buchanan         

      -Clemency         

            -Hunt
            -Ehrlichman and Dean         

      -President’s response to charges       

      -Possible testimony         

            -Haldeman and Ehrlichman           

            -Mitchell and Magruder         

            -Colson          

            -Dean        

      -Dean       

            -Meeting with the President, March 21 

            -Mitchell           

-White House response
            -FBI
            -Ellsberg break-in
            -Resignations of Haldeman and Ehrlichman
-President’s possible departure from office
      -Possible impeachment
            -Anthony J Russo, Jr. [?]
-Ellsberg
-Haldeman and Ehlrichman
-President’s role
      -Haig, Buzhardt
      -White House operations
            -Haldeman and Ehrlichman
-Dean
      -Role
            -Possibilities
      -Documents
            -Possible content       

      -Talk about Dean on Capitol Hill 

      -Background          

      -Press reaction          

            -Concerns regarding prison
                                              -6-


                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                      Tape Subject Log 

                                       (rev. June-2012)

                                                                 Conversation No. 917-2 (cont’d)

           -President’s files
                 -Possible search
                 -Memorandum [memo]
                       -Haldeman and Ehrlichman
                       -Hunt

     President’s schedule
           -Election Reform Commission
                 -Bipartisan Congressional leaders
                 -Radio speech
           -Haig’s request to discuss the President’s schedule
                 -Armed Forces Day

     Watergate       

          -President’s files      

          -Press corps       

          -Time [?] 

          -Ervin Committee hearings          

                -Haldeman, Ehrlichman and Dean
                       -Credibility of witnesses
          -Dean
                -Meeting with President
                       -Ehrlichman’s recommendations
                -US attorney
          -President’s conversation with Petersen
                -Dean
                -Resignations
                       -Haldeman and Ehrlichman
                       -Source of information
                             -Dean and Magruder
          -Dean
                -Petersen

Haig entered at 9:40 am.

     Haig’s schedule    

          -Mother’s Day        

                                             -7-


                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                     Tape Subject Log 

                                      (rev. June-2012)

                                                              Conversation No. 917-2 (cont’d)


      Watergate      

           -William D. Ruckelshaus’s forthcoming statement 

                 -Possible White House response        

           -Wiretaps
                 -Ziegler’s previous statement concerning White House activity
                 -Hunt and Liddy

      President’s schedule        

            -Bipartisan Congressional leaders        

                  -Possibility of ex-presidential candidates
            -Cabinet meeting
            -Speech in Norfolk, Virginia for Armed Forces Day, May 19
                  -Content       

                  -Location         


      Watergate
           -Wiretaps     

                -Newsmen        

                -Ruckelshaus       

                -FBI and White House         

                      -Ruckelshaus
                      -Buzhardt

Ziegler left at 9:48 am.

      Personnel appointments        

           -George P. Shultz and Henry A. Kissinger 

           -Council on International Economic Policy [CIEP] 

                 -Chairman        

           -Senate confirmation       

           -Presidency       

           -Terms       

           -Possible veto of Senate Bill 

                 -Confirmation
                       -Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
                             -Director
                                         -8-

             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. June-2012)

                                                           Conversation No. 917-2 (cont’d)

                      -Deputy Director             

          -Modification       

          -Reappointment          

          -House of Representatives            

          -Effects      

          -Roy L. Ash       

     -Senate confirmation       

          -OMB director         

                -Cabinet      

          -Shultz and Kissinger

Energy policy
     -Division of responsibilities      

           -Charles J. DiBona         

           -Haig’s conversation with Ash               

           -Congress        

           -Cabinet       

           -Public representatives [?]

           -John B. Connally        


Connally
     -Ash
           -Talking points      

     -President’s schedule      

     -Role in White House 

           -Energy

President’s schedule
      -Possible commencement address at Naval Academy
            -Compared with Armed Forces Day 

      -Reykjavik, Iceland       

      -Preparation for Soviet summit 

      -Dirksen Research Center in Chicago, June 15 

            -Timing      

      -Wednesdays        

      -Weekends        

            -Camp David, Florida
                                       -9-

             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. June-2012)

                                                      Conversation No. 917-2 (cont’d)

     -Wednesday meetings          

           -Connally, Shultz, Brennan       

           -Staff      

     -Prisoners of War [POWs] 

     -Travel       

           -Norfolk, Virginia       

     -Washington, DC events         

           -Desirability        

           -Chamber of Commerce, Veterans of Foreign Wars 

           -Businesses        

           -Metro subway construction         

                  -Leonard Garment’s office     

                  -Scheduling committee [?]     

           -Public relations [PR]       

     -Ervin Committee hearings         

           -President’s location      


Personnel appointments
     -Council of Economic Advisors [CEA] 

           -Gary L. Seevers    

           -Herbert Stein   


White House organization
     -Haig’s role
          -Appointments
                 -Delegation of authority   

          -Compared to National Security Council [NSC] [?] 

          -President’s role      

                 -Scheduling       

                 -Policy decisions      

                 -Long range strategy     


Watergate
     -White House response
     -Ervin Committee
           -Alexander P. Butterfield       

                -Campaign funds        

                                        -10-

             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. June-2012)

                                                        Conversation No. 917-2 (cont’d)

           -Krogh      

     -Butterfield    

     -Ervin Committee        


Election Reform Commission
      -Package
      -George H. W. Bush
      -William E. Timmons’s activities
            -Possible congressional support      

      -Gerald R. Ford and Hugh Scott 

            -Role in initiating    

      -Timing       


Watergate
     -Ruckelshaus’s forthcoming statement

Cambodia
    -Reaction to congressional vote
    -Kissinger’s schedule
          -Paris Peace talks
          -Forthcoming Senate vote        

    -Missing in Action [MIA] 

    -Importance of vote        

          -President’s forthcoming speech         

                -Armed Forces Day         

                -Theme       

          -North Vietnam

                -Possible continuation of hostilities   

                      -Incentives to preserve peace     


Watergate
     -Ellsberg case
           -Public reaction
                 -William M. Byrne, Jr.
           -Release of document      

                 -Possible effect    

                 -Timing       

                                 -11-

       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                          Tape Subject Log
                           (rev. June-2012)

                                                  Conversation No. 917-2 (cont’d)

           -Possible effect
           -Wiretap       

                 -Possible leak    

                 -Morton H. Halperin        

-Halperin
      -Reason for wiretap
            -NSC staff member
      -Tenure at NSC         

            -President’s assessment       

            -Kissinger’s motives      

-Dean
      -Documents
            -Possible check of files
                  -Possible memo from the President
                         -Ziegler
                  -Higby
      -Role in investigation
-President’s knowledge
      -Haldeman
      -CIA involvement
      -Walters’s memoranda of conversations [memcons]
-Walters
      -Possible testimony
-Grand jury
      -Dean and Haldeman as witnesses
-Dean
      -Possible immunity
      -Timing of testimony before grand jury
      -Possible effects of Ehrlichman’s and Haldeman’s testimony
-Executive privilege
-Haig’s discussions with Buzhardt
-Departures of Haldeman and Ehrlichman
-White House response
      -Protection of presidency
-Possible impeachment
      -Popular opinion
            -President’s knowledge
                                  -12-

       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                          Tape Subject Log
                           (rev. June-2012)

                                                   Conversation No. 917-2 (cont’d)

            -Lyndon B. Johnson and Harry S Truman 

            -President’s knowledge         

      -Sherman Adams           

-President’s knowledge
      -Possible attacks
      -Gray’s testimony
            -Buzhardt’s view         

            -Washington Post article 

      -Possible testimony          

            -Mitchell, Gray, Magruder, Haldeman and Ehrlichman 

            -Dean        

      -Dean’s meeting with the President, March 21
-Dean
      -Tactics
      -Possible memo from the President
      -Possible evidence against the President
            -Break-in of Ellsberg’s psychiatrist’s office
-Ruckelshaus’s forthcoming statement
-White House files
      -Possible search
-Ellsberg case
      -Possible release of document
      -Robert C. Mardian’s statement
      -White House staff knowledge
            -Ehrlichman          

      -Delay in delivery to judge 

      -Location        

-White House files
      -FBI investigation
            -Leaks to the press
      -Hunt
            -Possible activities
                   -Ehrlichman, Krogh and David R. Young, Jr.
            -Possible release of document        

      -Ruckelshaus         

      -Rose Mary Woods’s files          

      -Possible criticism of delay in releasing Ellsberg document 

                                             -13-


                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                     Tape Subject Log 

                                      (rev. June-2012)

                                                                Conversation No. 917-2 (cont’d)

                       -Ehrlichman        

           -Schorr investigation      

                 -Dean
                       -FBI investigation
                       -Employment
           -White House files
                 -Delivery of Ellsberg document
                       -Ruckelshaus’s possible statement
           -FBI files
                 -Johnson and John F. Kennedy
                 -Possible destruction by William C. Sullivan
           -FBI and CIA
           -Ruckelshaus’s forthcoming statement
                 -Ziegler and Buzhardt’s review
                 -President’s possible role
                 -Haig’s role
           -Haig’s term in office
           -White House response
                 -President’s conversation with Ziegler
           -Effect on nation
                 -Dean
           -Possible memo from Ehrlichman to Dean
                 -Cover-up
                       -Ehrlichman and Haldeman
           -CIA
                 -Helms
                       -Dr. James R. Schlesinger’s remark
                       -Congressmen’s views
                       -Haig’s conversation with Schlesinger
           -Gen. Robert E. Cushman, Jr.
                 -Testimony
                 -Possible call from Ehrlichman
                       -Schlesinger’s report
           -Dean’s documents

Higby entered at an unknown time after 9:48 am.
                                             -14-


                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                      Tape Subject Log 

                                       (rev. June-2012)

                                                                   Conversation No. 917-2 (cont’d)

      Watergate
           -Dean’s documents        

                -Contents       

                -Judge’s order regarding disposition       

                -National security classification     

                -[First name unknown] Parker        

                       -Representation       

                -John J. Wilson       

                -Contents       


Higby left at an unknown time before 10:50 am.

      Watergate     

           -Dean’s documents         

                -Contents        

                      -National security classification        

                -President’s files     

                      -Higby         

                      -Dean        


Haig left at 10:50 am.