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Conversation: 919-017

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Start Date: 16-May-1973 10:31 AM

End Date: 16-May-1973 11:35 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Connally, John B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

919-017a.mp3

919-017b.mp3

NARA Description:

On May 16, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and John B. Connally met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:31 am to 11:35 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 919-017 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 919-17

Date: May 16, 1973
Time: 10:31 am - 11:35 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John B. Connally.

       Connally’s schedule

       White House social affairs
             -Forthcoming Prisoners of War [POW] dinner 

                    -Structure under construction    

                    -Attendees        

                            -Wives, mothers

       President’s schedule        

              -Armed Forces Day           

              -POWs         

                      -Dallas        

              -President’s need for travel 

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                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                      Tape Subject Log 

                                    (rev. September-2012)

                                                            Conversation No. 919-17 (cont’d)

             -Georges J. R. Pompidou
                    -Iceland
             -Bob [Robert H. Abplanalp or Leslie T. (“Bob”) Hope?]
                    -Golf
                            -Bahamas


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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]

      Golf       

             -President’s and Connally’s activities 

                    -Regularity of playing         

                            -Frustrations        

             -Houston         

             -Connally’s ranch [?]        


[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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      President’s schedule
             -Dallas visit        

                     -Golf        

                     -Friends        

                     -Invitation        

                     -Fairmont Hotel         

                     -Private residence        

                             -United States Secret Service [USSS]
                     -Connally’s ranch
                             -San Antonio

      Connally
            -Conversation with Alexander M. Haig, Jr. and Roy L. Ash
            -Conversation with George P. Shultz
            -White House staff
                   -Ehrlichman and Haldeman
                                       -21-

           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. September-2012)

                                                      Conversation No. 919-17 (cont’d)

       -Possible role in administration
              -State Department          

                       -Haig        

                       -President’s plan      

                       -Delay         


US foreign policy
       -Forthcoming Soviet summit
              -Agreement on the Prevention of Nuclear War
                      -State Department’s knowledge
                      -Great Britain’s approval
                      -People’s Republic of China [PRC] approval
                      -Henry A. Kissinger, Haig [?]
              -Edward R. G. Heath [?] 

              -Chou En-lai           

              -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]

              -Middle East peace negotiations          

                      -General principles
                              -Israel
                                       -US pressure
                              -Egypt
                                       -Soviet Union pressure
                              -Interim settlement        

       -Kissinger’s meeting with Le Duc Tho 

       -Kissinger’s meeting with Hafiz Ismail [?]

       -Soviet summit         

              -Public relations [PR]
       -Secretary of State         

              -Kissinger         

              -William P. Rogers           

                      -Decency, strength
                      -Resignation
                      -Trip to Latin America
                      -Soviet summit
                              -Andrei A. Gromyko
                              -Agreements
                              -Middle East
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    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                        Tape Subject Log
                      (rev. September-2012)

                                                Conversation No. 919-17 (cont’d)

-Soviet summit
       -Preparations
       -Leonid I. Brezhnev’s meeting with President
               -President’s visit to Soviet Union             

               -San Clemente              

               -Key Biscayne              

               -Camp David              

               -”Spirit of Yalta”              

                       -Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston S. Churchill, Josef V.
                        Stalin
               -President’s strategy                

                       -Middle East, Southeast Asia             

                       -Arms race                 

                       -Impact of Watergate                 

-Secretary of State
       -Rogers’s resignation
       -Kissinger’s role
               -Knowledge             

               -European summit                   

                       -October             

               -Difficulty          

       -Replacement           

               -Timing          

       -Role compared to National Security Council [NSC] 

               -Gen, Brent G. Scowcroft                   

       -Replacement           

               -Timing          

                       -European summit                  

       -Kissinger’s role          

       -Connally’s appointment                  

               -Timing          

                       -Southeast Asia                 

                       -Soviet summit                 

                       -Europe              

               -Kissinger’s role              

       -John F. Dulles’s role with Dwight D. Eisenhower 

       -Timing and importance of change 

                                      -23-

           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. September-2012)

                                                       Conversation No. 919-17 (cont’d)

                     -Dr. David K. E. Bruce
                            -Age
                            -PRC liaison post
                            -Health
              -Harry F. Byrd, Jr.       

              -Connally        

              -Nelson A. Rockefeller        

              -Ronald W. Reagan           

              -President’s meeting with Hailie Selassie 

                     -Preparation

Connally’s trip to Soviet Union
      -Timing
      -Attendance at Soviet summit
               -Kissinger [?]
                      -Signal         

      -Timing, length          

      -Meeting with Brezhnev             

      -Soviet summit          

               -Brezhnev
                      -Hunting trip           

                              -Connally         

                              -Boar          

                              -YO Ranch           

                              -Exotic game

                              -Texas home           

                      -San Clemente
                      -Demonstrations
                              -Cities
                              -Hungarian-Americans, Polish-Americans
                      -Texas Hill Country for hunting trip 

      -Secretary of State         

               -Timing of change           

      -Problems           

               -Defense budget          

               -Foreign aid         

               -Trade bill       

                                       -24-

            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. September-2012)

                                                      Conversation No. 919-17 (cont’d)

               -Balance of payments       

               -State Department and Defense Department 

                       -Leadership      


White House staff
      -Need for change           

             -John J. McCloy            

             -Bruce         

             -Bryce N. Harlow               

             -David Packard           

             -Melvin R. Laird            

             -John W. Byrnes             

             -William E. Timmons                

                     -Robert C. Hill
                              -Defense Department
             -Byrnes           

                     -Children          

                     -Honesty           

                     -Finances            

             -Clark MacGregor [?]
                     -Work with Committee to Re-elect the President [CRP]
             -Ronald L. Ziegler               

                     -Press relations             

                     -Possible replacement          

                              -Gerald L. Warren
                              -Herbert G. Klein
                              -George Christian

Press relations
        -President’s press conferences
                -Timing
                        -Grand jury indictments
                -Questions and answers [Q&A]
        -President’s openness
                -Secret negotiations

Personnel management and appointments
                                       -25-

           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. September-2012)

                                                        Conversation No. 919-17 (cont’d)

       -Ziegler         

              -Intelligence, loyalty, honesty               

              -Statements regarding John W. Dean, III report 

              -Usefulness          

              -Credibility as press officer             

                       -Compared with other staff members          

              -Conversation with Connally                 

              -Likabilty         

       -Cabinet          

              -Ash         

                       -Limitations           

              -Shultz        

                       -Communication skills                 

                       -Compared with William E. Simon           

                       -Loyalty, competence                

              -Possible changes             

              -Dr. James R. Schlesinger             

                       -Defense Department                

              -Earl L. Butz           

              -Rogers C. B. Morton                

              -Peter J. Brennan            

              -James T. Lynn            

              -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger                    

              -Elliot L. Richardson             

                       -Possible departure            

              -Schlesinger           

       -White House staff          

              -Press office, Congressional liaison office 

              -Byrnes          

              -Responsibilities           

              -Council of Economic Advisors [CEA] 

                       -Herbert G. Stein

National economy
       -President’s meeting with Shultz
       -Possible freeze
       -Import surcharge
                                       -26-

            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. September-2012)

                                                         Conversation No. 919-17 (cont’d)

               -International reaction         

       -Balance of payments           

       -US exports          

               -Bilateral agreements
                       -South America
                               -Venezuela [?]
                               -Canada
                               -Taiwan
                               -Japan
                               -Effect on US jobs
                                        -Appeal to labor        

                               -Tax legislation         

                                        -Multinational corporations     

                               -Labor unions          

       -Import surcharge           

               -Nationalism

       -Possible freeze         

               -Effects of conclusion          

       -Inflation        

       -Unemployment             


Personnel management and appointments
       -Shultz
       -Cabinet
               -Communication
       -Spiro T. Agnew           

               -Domestic Council leadership         

               -Ability        

       -Cabinet meeting           

               -Connally’s advice         

               -Ash’s follow-up         

                       -Personnel problems
                              -Clearance
                              -Federal Bureau of Investigations [FBI] record
               -Contacts with President
                                          -27-

              NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. September-2012)

                                                        Conversation No. 919-17 (cont’d)

Congressional relations
      -President’s meetings with leadership
      -Bipartisan election commission
      -President’s conversation with Gerald R. Ford, Hugh Scott
      -Timmons
      -Congressional liaison office in White House
              -Perceptions of liaison’s stature     

              -Timmons           

              -Byrnes        


Ziegler
          -Role on White House staff
          -Press conferences
                  -Frequency       

          -Conversation with President           

                  -Replacement        


Watergate
      -Defined
      -Washington, DC’s feelings regarding White House staff
      -Press actions
      -Indictments
              -Mitchell
              -John D. Ehrlichman and H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
              -John N. Mitchell, Jeb Stuart Magruder
              -Seale Rule
      -President’s papers        

      -White House cooperation          

      -President’s response        

              -Grand jury indictments        

      -President’s possible resignation        

      -Impeachment           

      -White House response           

              -Rebuild confidence

Personnel management
       -Appointments
                                      -28-

            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. September-2012)

                                                      Conversation No. 919-17 (cont’d)

       -Harlow, Clark MacGregor, and George H. W. Bush’s recommendations
       -Securities and Exchange Commission [SEC] chairman[?]
              -G. Bradford Cook            

                      -Resignation            

                      -Robert L. Vesco case         

                      -Replacement              

              -Recommendations              

                      -Connally          

                              -Republican machinery         

              -Resignations          

                      -Robert C. Seamans, Jr.         

                              -Air Force
                      -Howard (“Bo”) Calloway
                      -Robert F. Froehlke
                      -Second term
                      -Private sector
                              -Experience
                      -White House favors
                              -Effect of Vesco case
       -White House staff role 

              -Operations compared to policy           

              -Compared to Cabinet, agencies            

                      -President’s responsibility         

              -Domestic Council            

                      -Operations
                              -Compared to policy
                              -Dams
                              -Political patronage
              -Shultz, Morton, Schlesinger, and Byrnes 

       -Cabinet officers        

              -President’s culpability            


President’s possible resignation
       -Agnew

Watergate
      -Connally’s conversation with Haig
                               -29-

    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                        Tape Subject Log
                      (rev. September-2012)

                                                Conversation No. 919-17 (cont’d)

-Daniel Ellsberg
-Wiretaps
        -Connally’s conversation with unknown man
                -Samuel J. Ervin, Jr.
                        -Hearings
                               -Pace
                               -President’s reaction
                -Possible release of information      

        -Lyndon B. Johnson            

        -J. Edgar Hoover          

                -Destruction of records
                -United States Secret Service [USSS]
        -John F. Kennedy
                -Removal of Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] files
                        -Marvin Watson
        -Johnson’s files
                -Lyndon B. Johnson Library
-Criticism
-President’s possible response
-Press irresponsibility
        -Compared with McCarthyism

        -Charges concerning President’s San Clemente property 

        -Los Angeles Times headline 

                -Connally’s law firm

                        -Gulf Resources         

                        -Bob Adams[?]         

-President’s possible response
-Effect of forthcoming Soviet summit
-Indictments
-Special Prosecutor
        -Warren M. Christopher           

                -Partnership        

-Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy and John V. Tunney
        -Party for Bob Pressler
        -1976 campaign
        -Carmine Bellino
-Christopher
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                     Tape Subject Log 

                                   (rev. September-2012)

                                                            Conversation No. 919-17 (cont’d)

                     -Relationship to Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
              -Tunney
              -Information gathering on the President’s opponents
                     -FBI, USSS          

              -Connally’s mood         


Connally left at 11:35 am.