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Start Date: 25-May-1973 12:09 PM

End Date: 25-May-1973 12:31 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Richardson, Elliot L.

Recording Device: Oval Office

928-012.mp3

NARA Description:

On May 25, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Elliot L. Richardson met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:09 pm to 12:31 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 928-012 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 928-12

Date: May 25, 1973
Time: 12:09 pm - 12:31 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Elliot L. Richardson. The recording began at an unknown time while the
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conversation was in progress.

     Justice Department

     United States Customs Service 

          -George P. Shultz’s opinion 

                 -Treasury Department        


     United States Attorney General 

          -Role       

          -President’s relationships           

                 -Richard G. Kleindienst
                 -John N. Mitchell         

          -Richardson’s role as counsel 

                 -Leonard Garment            

                        -Clearances        

                 -Legal problems         

                        -Law enforcement
                 -Leadership
                 -National Security Council [NSC]
                        -Shultz
                              -Richardson’s previous positions
                                    -State Department
                                    -Defense Department
                              -Jonathan Moore
                                    -Relationship to Henry A. Kissinger’s staff
                              -Mitchell’s role
                                    -Papers
                                    -Judgment
                              -Foreign policy issues
                                    -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
                                    -Soviet Union
                                    -Cambodia
                              -Richardson’s judgment
                                    -Judicial aspects
                                    -Compared with Shultz’s judgment
                              -Defense Department
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                                                          Conversation No. 928-12 (cont’d)

                              -Learning
                              -Indoctrination
                              -Institution

Presidential appointments
      -James R. Schlesinger       

            -Professionalism

            -Defense Department        

      -William E. Colby        

            -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]


Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] directorship
     -Discussion with Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
     -Overhaul of agency
     -J. Edgar Hoover’s legacy
     -Internal candidate
     -Cartha D. (“Deke”) DeLoach
     -Possibilities
           -Law school dean            

           -Judge         

     -Requirements            

           -Military member            

                  -Bugging           

           -Discipline            

                  -Pride           

     Haig’s recommendation as a General 

           -Richardson’s discussions with Haig        

     -Importance         

     -William D. Ruckelshaus             

     -Requirements            

           -Urgency             

     -Police chiefs         

           -Compared to military members          


Justice Department
      -Joseph T. Sneed
      -Need for appointments list
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    United States Supreme Court
         -Chief Justice        

                -Future relationship with Richardson        

                -Role as politician      


    Richardson’s duties        

         -Penal reform

               -Cost      

         -Reduction in crime rate 

               -Drugs        

               -Public relations [PR]      

                     -Credit to the President

    Watergate      

         -Special Prosecutor     

              -Archibald Cox        

                     -Location     

              -Whitney North Seymour, Jr.               

         -Robert L. Vesco      



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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]

    Watergate      

         -Robert L. Vesco     

              -F. Donald A. Nixon           


[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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    Watergate
         -Executive privilege     

              -Oral testimony       

              -President’s papers       

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2 

[National security]

[Duration: 17 s ] 



    DIPLOMACY


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

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    Watergate
         -Executive privilege
              -President’s papers
                    -Memoranda of conversation [Memcons]
         -Richardson’s meeting with Egil (“Bud”) Krogh concerning plumbers
              -National security


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3 

[National security]

[Duration: 34 s ] 



    DIPLOMACY
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END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3

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    Watergate
         -Richardson’s meeting with Egil (“Bud”) Krogh concerning plumbers
              -Richardson’s subsequent interrogation
                    -Richardson’s notes
                           -Excisions
         -Executive privilege
              -Memcons
              -Possible testimony by H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman, John D. Ehrlichman, and
               Charles W. Colson 

              -Cabinet officers       


    President’s attendance at dinner for Richardson in 1965 

          -[Bobby Tucker?]

          -Lieutenant governorship        

          -Edward W. Brooke          

          -State attorney general       

          -Henry Cabot Lodge          

          -President’s speech      


    Watergate      

         -Attacks on the President 

         -National security       

               -Newsmen’s leaks        

         -President’s investigation       

         -Henry E. Petersen’s investigation 

               -John W. Dean, III’s role 

               -Daniel Ellsberg break-in information for judge 

                     -Krogh         

         -Plumbers       

               -Role and function       


    Leaks
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           -Effect on foreign policy negotiations 

                  -POW release        

                  -SALT       

           -Effect on personnel management by the President and Kissinger
                  -William P. Rogers
                  -Richardson
                  -People’s Republic of China [PRC] initiative
                        -Kissinger
                        -Rogers
                        -Melvin R. Laird
                        -Soviet Union
           -Bureaucracy
                  -Heroic act       

           -Chester Bowles and Bay of Pigs 

           -Obeying of the law 

           -Cabinet officers’ responsibility       

                  -Secretary of Defense       

                  -Secretary of State      

           -Negotiating positions       

                  -SALT summit with Leonid I. Brezhnev
           -Intelligence sources
           -Bugging
           -Dissemination of classified information
           -Tracing leaks
                  -Defense Department        

                  -Richardson’s role       

           -Negotiating positions       

                  -Compared to real estate sales 


     Richardson’s swearing-in ceremony 

          -President’s remarks     


Richardson left at 12:31 pm.
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