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Start Date: 11-Jul-1973 3:03 PM

End Date: 11-Jul-1973 4:22 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Connally, John B.Woods, Rose MarySanchez, Manolo

Recording Device: Oval Office

948-012b.mp3

948-012a.mp3

NARA Description:

On July 11, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, John B. Connally, Rose Mary Woods, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:03 pm to 4:22 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 948-012 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 948-12

Date: July 11, 1973
Time: 3:03 pm - 4:22 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John B. Connally.

       Cabinet meeting, July 11, 1973

       National economy        

              -Export controls          

                     -Exceptions            

                            -Meat               

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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                      Tape Subject Log 

                                    (rev. November-2012)

                                                              Conversation No. 948-12 (cont’d)

                      -Ceiling on prices
                      -Compared to previous action
              -President’s program
                      -Need for taper
                      -Short-term compared to long-term objectives
                      -Government’s role
                              -Consumer expectations
                                      -Food prices
              -Fruits and vegetables
                      -Seasonal fluctuations
              -Meat
                      -Ceiling on price
                              -Earl L. Butz’s view
                      -Beef compared with pork
                              -Hog prices

Rose Mary Woods entered at 3:08 pm.

       President’s schedule
              -Forthcoming meeting with Senators
                      -Message
                      -Julie Nixon Eisenhower

Woods left at 3:10 pm.

       National economy
              -Meat
                     -Hog prices
                             -Fluctuations
                                    -Cycles, overproduction
                     -Ceiling on price
              -President’s program
                     -Previous meeting
                             -Support
                             -President’s strategy
                     -Arthur F. Burns’s views
                     -Controls
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                   Tape Subject Log
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                                              Conversation No. 948-12 (cont’d)

        -Duration            

        -Exemptions              

        -Graduated approach                    

                -Public confidence                  

        -Inflation         

        -Phase-out timetable                  

        -Food          

                -60-day
                         -Input                

 -Livestock        

 -Beef-raising cycle           

        -Butz’s view              

        -Hog production                 

                -Feed prices                

                         -Corn, grain                 

                         -Profitability                 

                                       -Margin            

                -Single supplier                 

                         -Flexibility              

 -Agriculture        

        -Butz’s views              

        -Leslie C. Arends’s views                  

        -Controls          

                -Farms, businessmen, labor leaders
                         -Compared with consumers
                -Consumers’ support
                -Duration
 -Butz
 -Poultry production            

        -Price of eggs               

        -Cyclic production                

                -Purina
                         -Market dominance
                -Poultry compared to hog production
                         -Broilers
                -Purina
                         -Feed subsidies
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                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                      Tape Subject Log 

                                    (rev. November-2012)

                                                           Conversation No. 948-12 (cont’d)

                             -Supply of broilers       

              -Pork packing houses         

                      -Closings         

                             -Sanitary laws        

              -Cattle compared to chickens 

                      -Grain       

              -Export controls        

                      -Connally’s support        


Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 3:10 pm.

       Refreshments

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 4:22 pm.

       National economy
              -Export controls        

                     -Duration          

                     -Possible effects          

                            -Priorities
                                    -Domestic consumption compared to world consumption
                     -Timing
                            -Crop yields
                            -Agricultural acreage
              -World food supplies          

                     -Prosperity          

                     -Soviet Union           

                            -Leonid I. Brezhnev’s decisions
                                    -Consumer
                     -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                            -Transition of economy
                                    -Future strain of PRC demand
                                    -Payment
                                               -Balance of trade
                                                      -Textiles
                     -World food shortage
                            -US role
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     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                         Tape Subject Log
                       (rev. November-2012)

                                                  Conversation No. 948-12 (cont’d)

               -Latin America’s role          

               -Brazil       

               -Latin America’s role          

                       -Agricultural acreage
                               -Compared to Midwest, Texas
                               -Development of roads, refrigeration
               -South America
                       -Population
                               -Poverty
                               -Birth control
                       -Studies
                               -Efficiency of land use
               -US expertise
                       -Soviet Union
-Price controls
        -Industry
        -John T. Dunlop’s views
-Phase III
        -Difficulties
                -Timing
-Controls
        -Goal
                -Removal of controls
        -President’s possible statements to farmers
                -Pittsburgh, Des Moines, Illinois        

        -President’s possible statement to livestock industry 

        -Food prices         

                -Popular views         

                        -Balance of payments          

                        -Japan, PRC, Soviet Union          

                        -Strength of dollar       

-US position in global economy
        -Strength of dollar
                -Paris, Zurich, Geneva, Bonn
        -Soviet Union grain deal
                -Terms
-Agricultural prosperity
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    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                        Tape Subject Log
                      (rev. November-2012)

                                                Conversation No. 948-12 (cont’d)

       -Regions of US             

               -South, Midwest, West             

               -Southeast             

                      -Peanuts, soybeans, cotton, corn, cattle
               -Southwest, Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana
                      -Soybeans, wheat
                      -Wheat
               -Midwest             

               -West        

                      -California            

               -Economic and political importance         

       -Cattle prices         

               -Connally’s sale of heifers, July 10, 1973
                      -Feed
                      -Beef production
-Agriculture
       -Prices
               -Corn        

                      -Yield            

                      -Net profit           

               -Wheat           

       -Butz’s view         

               -60-day            

       -Export controls             

               -Duration              

                      -Crop cycle              

       -Corn production               

               -Compared with previous years, estimates          

               -Dunlop’s view             

                      -Need for controls
                      -Council of Economic Advisors [CEA]
               -Export controls
               -Predictions
                      -Impact of weather, insects, storms
               -Frederick B. Dent’s, others’ statement
                      -Export controls
               -Crop year
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     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                         Tape Subject Log
                       (rev. November-2012)

                                                  Conversation No. 948-12 (cont’d)

-Labor
       -Forthcoming negotiations              

               -Jobs         

               -Real income

               -Possibility of strikes          

       -Increase in real disposable income
               -Compared to inflation
-Food prices
       -Consumption of meat             

               -President’s childhood diet            

               -Increase in production, consumption             

                        -Per capita
-Farm program
       -Farm legislation           

               -Subsidies          

               -Anachronism

               -Signing of legislation            

               -Public statements           

       -Previous surpluses           

       -Free market            

       -Fears        

       -Parity        

               -1968 campaign             

                        -Hubert H. Humphrey             

       -Grain program

               -Connally’s farm

                        -Soil Conservation Service           

                                 -[Higara ?]
                                        -Chicken feed
                                        -Implications of rules
                                 -Deferred grain program
                                        -Implications of rules
                                                  -Export controls
                                 -Maize
                                        -Cattle feed, hay, chicken feed, hog feed
                                 -Cross-purposes
                                 -Deferred grain program
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    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                       Tape Subject Log
                     (rev. November-2012)

                                              Conversation No. 948-12 (cont’d)

                                         -Agriculture Department      

       -Farm bill          

               -Parity for milk           

                        -Milk producers            

                                -Dairy co-operatives [co-ops]     

       -Milk         

               -Previous supplies            

               -Current production             

               -Competition from overseas             

                        -Europe
                                -Cheese, butter
               -Dairy co-ops           

                        -Compared with unions            

                        -Demand            

               -Price supports
       -Pending legislation          

               -President’s approval             

               -Senate          

                        -Carl T. Curtis
                        -Milton R. Young
               -Senate bill compared to House of Representatives bill
                        -Curtis
               -William R. Poage’s conversation with President
                        -Leonid I. Brezhnev signing ceremony
               -President’s possible veto
                        -Connally’s view
                                -Support prices
                        -Goal
                        -Approval
                                -Appeal to East Coasters
                        -Sellers’ market
                        -Possible effects of veto
                                -President’s credibility
                                         -Labor-Management Advisory Committee
-Role of government
       -Problem solving
       -Private initiative
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           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. November-2012)

                                                      Conversation No. 948-12 (cont’d)

                       -Businessmen, farmers, consumers
              -Compared to Europe                

                       -Great Britain, France         

                       -Germany           

                                -Labor relations        

              -Japan          

                       -Labor rates           

              -Europe, Germany, Japan, USSR, PRC 

              -Private initiative          

                       -“Pioneer spirit”           

                       -US deficit          

                       -Midwest, South             

                                -Compared to East         

                                       -Eastern establishment      

       -President’s leadership          

              -Watergate           

                       -Distraction            

                       -Timing         

                                -Forthcoming testimony of H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman, and
                                 John D. Ehrlichman
                                       -Possible outcome

Watergate
      -Ervin Committee hearings
             -Forthcoming testimony of Haldeman and Ehrlichman
      -Henry A. Kissinger’s conversation with President
             -Thomas W. Braden
                     -Nelson A. Rockefeller
             -Braden, Frank F. Mankiewicz, and George S. McGovern
                     -Plan
                            -John W. Dean, III
                            -Duration, scope of investigation
                                   -Public interest        

      -Public opinion        

      -Ervin Committee hearings         

             -Witness list
                     -Haldeman, Ehrlichman, John N. Mitchell, and Herbert W.
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                       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                              Tape Subject Log 

                                            (rev. November-2012)

                                                                           Conversation No. 948-12 (cont’d)

                                  Kalmbach 

                 -Internal Revenue Service [IRS] 

                         -Enemies list
                                 -President’s and Connally’s knowledge
                                 -Dr. Michael DeBakey
                                 -Investigations
                         -Audits of President’s returns in 1961 and 1962
                                 -Robert F. (“Bobby”) Kennedy
                                 -Leaks of income tax returns
                         -Dean’s list
                                 -Request for investigations
                                         -Johnnie M. Walters’s response
                         -Investigation of Connally while Secretary of Treasury
                         -Investigations
                                 -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
                                 -William F. (“Billy”) Graham
                                 -Dr. W. Kenneth Riland
                                 -Walters’s response
                         -Robert H. Abplanalp
                         -Stories regarding President’s San Clemente property
                                 -Campaign funds
                                 -President’s response regarding finances
                                 -President’s finances
                                         -Abplanalp
                                         -Rebozo
                                         -Los Angeles Times story regarding Teamsters


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        Watergate        

              -Stories regarding President’s San Clemente property 

                      -General Services Administration [GSA] improvements
                             -United States Secret Service [USSS]
                             -Freedom of Information Act [FOIA] request
                                     -Press coverage, public reaction
                             -Thomas J. (“Tom”) Steed’s statement
                                     -Approval
                                     -Justification
                                             -John F. Kennedy’s assassination      

                                             -Robert F. (“Bobby”) Kennedy’s assassination [?]                 

                             -USSS
                                     -Fence
                                     -Railroad tracks
                                             -Mexican-Americans
                      -President’s possible response
                             -Facilities at Lyndon B. Johnson ranch
                                     -Airstrip
                                     -Public knowledge
                             -Facilities at Dwight D. Eisenhower’s ranch
                             -Hyannis Port, Massachusetts
                             -USSS orders
                                     -Contrasted with President’s preferences
                             -Net worth
              -White House response
                      -President’s possible statement
                             -Timing
                             -Content
                                     -Watergate compared to President’s San Clemente property
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    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                        Tape Subject Log
                      (rev. November-2012)

                                                Conversation No. 948-12 (cont’d)

-Abplanalp
       -Precision Valve Co.
               -Anti-trust suit
                       -Jewish plaintiffs
                       -Justice Department
                       -Bertram L. Podell’s statement
       -Abplanalp, Rebozo
               -Reluctance to use Presidential plane
-Robert L. Vesco
-White House response
       -President’s possible statements              

               -Aplanalp, Rebozo               

                       -Connally’s viewpoint              

               -Need to build sympathy                

                       -Abplanalp            

                       -Rebozo         

-Rebozo
       -Howard Hughes’s contribution                 

               -Maurice Stans          

               -Handling          

                       -Return
                       -Kalmbach
                       -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] agent [First name
                        unknown] Calhoun
                                -Amount
-1972 campaign contributions
       -Stans       

               -Compared to McGovern’s campaign             

               -Source of funding              

       -White House response            

               -Possible public statements              

       -Possible Congressional action              

               -Possible effects          

       -Return to contributors         

       -Contributors          

               -Business people            

               -Possible statements              

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           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                              Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. November-2012)

                                                     Conversation No. 948-12 (cont’d)

                      -Ervin Committee investigation in Houston, Texas
                               -Handling by Connally
                               -George Brown
                                      -Statement
       -Archibald Cox           

              -Forthcoming White House response          

              -Duties        


Connally’s schedule
      -Foreign travel
              -Brezhnev
                      -Timing of trip
                               -August 3
                      -Business interests
                               -Possible task force
                      -Connally’s conversation with Walter B. Wriston and William E.
                       Simon
              -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
              -Romania, Poland, Czechoslovakia
              -Middle East
                      -Advisability          

              -USSR          

              -PRC         

                      -Connally’s personal interests
              -USSR compared with PRC               

                      -Order, timing of trips         

                      -President’s role         

              -PRC and Japan
                      -Timing         

              -Connally’s availability          

              -PRC         

                      -President’s experience

President’s schedule
       -Public appearances after Labor Day
               -Compared to campaign
                     -Response to opponents
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           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                             Tape Subject Log
                           (rev. November-2012)

                                                   Conversation No. 948-12 (cont’d)


Connally’s schedule
      -Domestic travel, speaking appearances
              -Florida
                     -Edward J. Gurney
              -Kansas         

                     -Robert J. Dole         

                     -Kansas Republican Committee           

              -Oklahoma, Arizona, California, Oregon, Illinois
              -Ohio
              -New York
              -Ohio, Pennsylvania
                     -Frank Dale in Cincinnati
                     -[Horace] Chapman (“Chappie”) Rose in Cleveland
                     -Preston Wolfe in Columbus
      -Trip to USSR         

              -Timing        

              -Eastern Europe        

                     -Poland
              -Announcement
                     -Ronald L. Ziegler and Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                     -Trip preparations, rejoining law firm
                     -Timing, focus
                             -President’s forthcoming speech

Jamaica
       -Statehood

Nassau [Bahamas]
      -Independence
              -Likelihood of success
      -Government
              -US action       

      -Population        

      -Poverty        

      -Military, diplomatic corps     

              -United Nations [UN] ambassador, ambassador to US
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                      Tape Subject Log 

                                    (rev. November-2012)

                                                           Conversation No. 948-12 (cont’d)

                     -Appropriations       

              -Tourism

                     -Taxation       

                            -Hotels      

              -Abplanalp        

                     -Residence        


       Watergate
             -White House         

                    -Timing         

                    -Effect       

             -Popular view        

             -Ervin Committee hearings         

                    -Mitchell, Haldeman, Ehrlichman        

                            -Televised testimony    

             -Popular view        

                    -Saturation        


       John A. Love 

              -Appointment to Energy Policy Office 

                      -Need for encouragement        

              -Meeting with [Shah of Iran] Mohammed Reza Pahlavi 

                      -Connally’s attendance      


       Connally’s schedule      

             -Forthcoming dinner         


Connally left at 4:22 pm.