{"conversationCode":"001-037","tapeNumber":1,"conversationNumber":37,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-001-037","startDateTime":"1971-04-08T04:13:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-04-08T04:14:00.000Z","startDate":"7-Apr-1971","startTime":"11:13 PM","endDate":"7-Apr-1971","endTime":"11:14 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On April 7, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger talked on the telephone from 11:13 pm to 11:14 pm. 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Reagan","filename":["001-037.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:23:03","tapeEnd":"01:25:03","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"001-036","nextCode":"001-038","transcript":[{"start":0.11,"end":4.29,"text":"Dr. Kissinger."},{"start":4.49,"end":10.6,"text":"Mr. President, I thought you might like to hear a cable we just got from Bunker about half an hour ago."},{"start":12,"end":14.92,"text":"We have just heard the President's moving and courageous speech."},{"start":15.82,"end":19.8,"text":"It has inspired us all with a renewed sense of dedication and determination."},{"start":20.66,"end":25.19,"text":"Please say to him that all of us here are resolved to achieve the goals he has so eloquently stated."},{"start":25.88,"end":30.16,"text":"Please express to the President my admiration and respect for his great personal courage."},{"start":31.04,"end":31.62,"text":"That's nice."},{"start":31.66,"end":33.19,"text":"Warmest personal regard."},{"start":33.24,"end":34.85,"text":"Very nice, very nice."},{"start":36.93,"end":38.03,"text":"Well, what the hell?"},{"start":38.63,"end":40.73,"text":"Well, Mr. President... We hear nothing, you know."},{"start":40.83,"end":48.21,"text":"I haven't heard from McGregor or from Rumsfeld or Finch, any of our other fellows."},{"start":48.29,"end":50.87,"text":"I mean, they're all cowering, I suppose."},{"start":51.67,"end":53.21,"text":"Waiting till they see you have the whole show."},{"start":53.23,"end":58.2,"text":"Well, I think Gregor called Haldeman and said he was disappointed at the withdrawal of her."},{"start":59.04,"end":59.66,"text":"That's fine."},{"start":59.72,"end":61.24,"text":"Well, we've got to shake him up a little bit."},{"start":61.38,"end":64.24,"text":"But that he thought otherwise it was a well-delivered speech."},{"start":65,"end":66.84,"text":"Well, yeah."},{"start":67.89,"end":68.09,"text":"Good."},{"start":68.35,"end":68.77,"text":"Okay."},{"start":68.81,"end":70.55,"text":"That was a great speech, Mr. President."},{"start":70.57,"end":71.71,"text":"Yeah, the hell with all the rest."},{"start":72.09,"end":72.44,"text":"Okay."},{"start":72.69,"end":73.64,"text":"I talked to Rockefeller."},{"start":73.68,"end":74.34,"text":"He was fine."},{"start":74.42,"end":75.18,"text":"Was he okay?"},{"start":75.58,"end":76.42,"text":"Oh, hell."},{"start":76.44,"end":78.02,"text":"He talked very nice."},{"start":78.04,"end":80.84,"text":"You know, he's playing both sides."},{"start":80.86,"end":83.94,"text":"He feels his own future is involved here, too."},{"start":83.98,"end":84.54,"text":"You know what the hell?"},{"start":84.56,"end":87.5,"text":"If I go down, he may go up, but he never go up."},{"start":87.54,"end":91.07,"text":"No, he never says anything against you as far as I know, Mr. President."},{"start":91.09,"end":95.83,"text":"He may not say as much publicly as he should, but he knows you're right."},{"start":96.35,"end":96.47,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":96.75,"end":97.23,"text":"That's right."},{"start":97.27,"end":99.57,"text":"So is Reagan, so is Johnson, and all the rest."},{"start":99.81,"end":101.33,"text":"Well, Reagan called in, you know."},{"start":101.55,"end":101.87,"text":"Did he?"},{"start":101.89,"end":102.47,"text":"What did he say?"},{"start":102.81,"end":112.08,"text":"He said it was outstanding, moving, uh, uh, best reputation to all these softies or whatever left for him."},{"start":112.22,"end":113.18,"text":"Good, good, good."},{"start":115.86,"end":116.26,"text":"Okay."},{"start":116.28,"end":116.9,"text":"Right, Mr. Miller."},{"start":116.92,"end":117.24,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discussed the political reception of the President's recent televised speech regarding the war in Southeast Asia. While they shared a supportive cable from Ambassador Ellsworth Bunker, Nixon expressed frustration over the perceived silence or hesitation from various administration officials and political allies. They reviewed feedback from key figures including Ronald Reagan, who praised the address, and Nelson Rockefeller, whom they analyzed as a self-interested political actor.","topics":["Vietnam War","Public Relations","Presidential Speech","Political Allies","Henry Kissinger"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T20:54:58.305Z"},"topicSlugs":["vietnam-war","public-relations","presidential-speech","political-allies","henry-kissinger"],"audioDurationSec":117,"audioFiles":[{"file":"001-037.mp3","bytes":2818088,"durationSec":117.34,"bitrate":192134,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:20.350Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/001-037.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/001-037","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/1/conversation-001-037","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}