{"conversationCode":"001-123","tapeNumber":1,"conversationNumber":123,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-001-123","startDateTime":"1971-04-17T15:45:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-04-17T15:52:00.000Z","startDate":"17-Apr-1971","startTime":"10:45 AM","endDate":"17-Apr-1971","endTime":"10:52 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; White House operator; Hoover, J. Edgar; Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On April 17, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, White House operator, J. Edgar Hoover, and Henry A. Kissinger talked on the telephone from 10:45 am to 10:52 am. 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Edgar Hoover\n\nThe President talked with Hoover between 10:49 am and 10:52 am.\n\n[Conversation No. 1-123A]\n\n[See also Conversation No. 481-5B]\n\n     President's interview with newspaper editors\n           -President's remarks on Hoover\n                 -Hoover's reaction\n\n******************************************************************************\n\f[Previous PRMPA Federal Statute (A) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 02/19/2019. 1 m 1s\nsegment cleared for release. 14s remain closed as 001-123-w001.]\n[Federal Statute]\n[001-123-w001]\n[Duration: 1m 1s]\n\n     Hale Boggs\n          -Criticism of President\n          -Hoover's report to H. R. Haldeman, April 16, 1971\n                -Oil interest surveillance of Hale Boggs\n\n     Edmund S. Muskie\n         -Hoover’s opinion\n\n     Earth Day\n          -Rennie Davis\n               -Federal Bureau of Investigations [FBI] coverage\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Previous PRMPA Statute (A) withdrawal reviewed 12/20/2017. Segment will remain closed.]\n[Federal Statute]\n[001-123-w001]\n[Duration: 14s]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     Earth Day\n          -Rennie Davis\n\n     President's defense of Hoover\n           -Kissinger\n\nKissinger talked with Hoover at 10:52 am.\n\n[Conversation No. 1-123B]\n\n[See also Conversation No. 481-5C]\n\n     President's interview with newspaper editors","filename":["001-123.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:02:35","tapeEnd":"04:06:31","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B.","White House operator","Hoover, J. Edgar","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"001-122","nextCode":"001-124","transcript":[{"start":0.27,"end":0.63,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":0.65,"end":2.03,"text":"Hello, Edgar, how are you?"},{"start":2.09,"end":3.01,"text":"Oh, well, what the hell, I..."},{"start":3.17,"end":5.91,"text":"I always stick by my friends, you know that?"},{"start":5.95,"end":6.09,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":24.05,"end":37.24,"text":"Well, you know, they're all badgering and so forth, but, you know, they gave me a set-up question when this fellow said, in view of the increasing attacks that Mr. Hoover is coming under, do you think he will now"},{"start":38.52,"end":39.14,"text":"resign."},{"start":39.28,"end":41.62,"text":"And I said, no, it's going to have exactly the opposite effect."},{"start":41.7,"end":44.08,"text":"I said, he hasn't even discussed resignation with me."},{"start":44.68,"end":55.14,"text":"And I said, certainly when he's being under vicious and malicious attack, a man that's given 50 years of services, and he certainly has not gone to, you know, I thought that gave it a good chance."},{"start":55.62,"end":56.76,"text":"Because it's true."},{"start":56.82,"end":66.13,"text":"I mean, hell, I mean, I, none of us are going, I won't even, frankly, if they'd ever put it to me that I just say, I wouldn't even consider it if I were in his place."},{"start":66.15,"end":67.25,"text":"Wonderful of you, Mr. President."},{"start":67.69,"end":70.35,"text":"And you did magnificent on all the other questions."},{"start":70.41,"end":71.29,"text":"You weren't there, were you?"},{"start":71.35,"end":73.03,"text":"No, I listened to it on the radio."},{"start":73.15,"end":74.31,"text":"Oh, you heard it, yeah."},{"start":74.47,"end":77.08,"text":"On radio, and it came over excessively."},{"start":77.09,"end":79.9,"text":"And you sounded more relaxed than you do on TV."},{"start":79.96,"end":86.08,"text":"Yeah, well, it was more editors, so I could be a little bit... A few little jabs of humor that was very good, too."},{"start":86.66,"end":92.89,"text":"Well, the main thing is to, as I say, let your friends support you in this and that."},{"start":168.32,"end":169.78,"text":"All right, well, that's fine."},{"start":169.82,"end":174.94,"text":"I'm just going to say Henry Kissinger just walked in, and he disagrees."},{"start":174.98,"end":178.12,"text":"He says I shouldn't have defended you."},{"start":178.16,"end":178.62,"text":"No, here he is."},{"start":178.66,"end":179.48,"text":"I'll let you say hello to him."},{"start":179.5,"end":180.44,"text":"Thank you so much."},{"start":184.76,"end":185.12,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":185.19,"end":185.73,"text":"What's up, Ted?"},{"start":185.77,"end":186.47,"text":"Mr. Hoover?"},{"start":187.13,"end":190.85,"text":"Well, you know you have many admirers in this building."},{"start":190.93,"end":193.27,"text":"Well, I thought the president was magnificent last night."},{"start":193.59,"end":195.37,"text":"I just can't find words to express."},{"start":197.48,"end":204.28,"text":"Well, anyone who's done youth service to the country should not be exposed to this sort of malicious attack."},{"start":204.38,"end":206.04,"text":"Oh, but you've been, and I am also."},{"start":206.8,"end":210.94,"text":"They're just trying to bait anybody who's a member of the establishment."},{"start":211.6,"end":218.97,"text":"I think that the statement of the president last night and all the answers he made to some of them were loaded questions, were magnificent."},{"start":219.61,"end":225.03,"text":"Well, that's what I thought, and I thought it came out very, very well."},{"start":225.11,"end":226.03,"text":"I thought it was excellent."},{"start":226.84,"end":228.99,"text":"And it's awful nice to have you tell me what you just said."},{"start":229.03,"end":231.55,"text":"Well, it's a privilege to be able to work with you."},{"start":231.57,"end":232.33,"text":"Thank you so much."},{"start":232.35,"end":232.81,"text":"Goodbye."},{"start":233.11,"end":233.51,"text":"Goodbye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon spoke with J. Edgar Hoover to offer personal support following recent public criticism and media speculation regarding the FBI Director's potential resignation. Nixon reassured Hoover that he had publicly defended him during a recent interview with newspaper editors, framing the attacks as malicious and unwarranted. The call concluded with Henry Kissinger joining the conversation to echo his admiration for the President’s stance and provide further support to Hoover.","topics":["J. 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