{"conversationCode":"002-008","tapeNumber":2,"conversationNumber":8,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-002-008","startDateTime":"1971-04-20T20:47:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-04-20T20:48:00.000Z","startDate":"20-Apr-1971","startTime":"3:47 PM","endDate":"20-Apr-1971","endTime":"3:48 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Connally, John B.;","description":"On April 20, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and John B. Connally talked on the telephone from 3:47 pm to 3:48 pm. 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(President)","Connally, John B."],"prevCode":"002-007","nextCode":"002-009","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":1.47,"text":"I have Secretary Conley."},{"start":3.51,"end":3.9,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":4,"end":4.51,"text":"Hi, John."},{"start":5,"end":10.36,"text":"I'm sitting here talking with Cliff Harden and Abe Lincoln about the Texas trip."},{"start":10.38,"end":11.58,"text":"They're going to leave tomorrow."},{"start":11.72,"end":13.1,"text":"Pete Flanagan's with them."},{"start":13.64,"end":26.92,"text":"I think it would be a good thing if they just came over to your shop when they finish here in a few minutes and check in with you and show you, you know, they've got the maps and the places they're going to go and the things they're going to do and so forth."},{"start":26.9,"end":32.5,"text":"And I've just told him that we just released $10 million from the budget from something or other."},{"start":32.66,"end":34.69,"text":"I mean, OMB, we got that done."},{"start":35.27,"end":36.41,"text":"But would you do that?"},{"start":36.59,"end":36.99,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":37.01,"end":39.45,"text":"Because Cliff said he talked to you last week, but I don't think he's talked to you."},{"start":39.47,"end":41.35,"text":"He said he hadn't talked to you since you returned."},{"start":41.58,"end":41.92,"text":"That's correct."},{"start":41.94,"end":43.22,"text":"I think it's good you're not going."},{"start":43.28,"end":44.86,"text":"I think for you to get here, it's better."},{"start":45.04,"end":46.04,"text":"It'll look otherwise."},{"start":46.5,"end":47.58,"text":"You know what I mean?"},{"start":48.1,"end":50.67,"text":"And after all, it's not my big week."},{"start":50.83,"end":51.37,"text":"That's right."},{"start":51.35,"end":55.32,"text":"And, uh, so if you, uh, could you see them if they come over to your shop?"},{"start":55.36,"end":55.74,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":56.24,"end":56.36,"text":"Fine."},{"start":56.38,"end":57.49,"text":"Well, they can come."},{"start":57.51,"end":58.27,"text":"Anytime."},{"start":58.49,"end":59.33,"text":"They'll come across the street."},{"start":59.35,"end":59.94,"text":"All right."},{"start":59.98,"end":60.5,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Treasury Secretary John Connally coordinated a briefing for a delegation including Secretary of Agriculture Clifford Hardin, General George Lincoln, and Peter Flanigan regarding a scheduled federal response to the Texas drought. The President directed Connally to meet with these officials to review their itinerary and logistical maps before their departure. Furthermore, Nixon advised Connally to remain in Washington rather than join the trip to avoid unfavorable political optics.","topics":["Texas drought","John B. Connally","Clifford M. 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