{"conversationCode":"002-057","tapeNumber":2,"conversationNumber":57,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-002-057","startDateTime":"1971-04-28T23:48:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-04-28T23:50:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Apr-1971","startTime":"7:48 PM","endDate":"28-Apr-1971","endTime":"7:50 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On April 28, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman talked on the telephone from 7:48 pm to 7:50 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 002-057 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 2-57\n\nDate: April 28, 1971\nTime: 7:48 pm - 7:50 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.\n\n     Robert F. Ellsworth\n         -James B. Pearson\n         -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]\n         -Career\n         -Possible exchange of positions with Gen. George A. Lincoln\n\n                                                                                               Back to Top\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542","filename":["002-057.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:10:01","tapeEnd":"02:11:53","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"002-056","nextCode":"002-058","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":18.64,"text":"What are Ellsworth's plans?"},{"start":18.66,"end":19.52,"text":"He doesn't, he wasn't planning to get"},{"start":22.59,"end":49.78,"text":"Well, I have an idea."},{"start":49.8,"end":50.74,"text":"Why not have him and the General change places?"},{"start":50.76,"end":51.28,"text":"You think it'll hold them?"},{"start":52.26,"end":70.77,"text":"Apologies."},{"start":70.79,"end":72.77,"text":"Now that it's the chance to sober down from the real job, and fight like hell, it wouldn't be hard."},{"start":72.79,"end":73.33,"text":"You feel it too, don't you?"},{"start":73.35,"end":73.89,"text":"You feel it too, don't you?"},{"start":73.91,"end":74.45,"text":"You feel it too, don't you?"},{"start":74.47,"end":75.01,"text":"You feel it too, don't you?"},{"start":75.03,"end":75.57,"text":"You feel it too, don't you?"},{"start":75.59,"end":76.13,"text":"You feel it too, don't you?"},{"start":76.15,"end":76.69,"text":"You feel it too, don't you?"},{"start":76.71,"end":77.25,"text":"You feel it too, don't you?"},{"start":77.28,"end":77.82,"text":"You feel it too, don't you?"},{"start":77.84,"end":78.38,"text":"You feel it too, don't you?"},{"start":78.4,"end":78.94,"text":"You feel it too, don't you?"},{"start":78.96,"end":79.5,"text":"You feel it too, don't you?"},{"start":91.33,"end":95.8,"text":"I'll tell you what to do."},{"start":95.82,"end":96.2,"text":"Just run it by Bob."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H.R. Haldeman discussed potential personnel adjustments involving Robert F. Ellsworth and General George A. Lincoln. The President proposed a job exchange between the two men, seeking Haldeman's assessment of the viability of such a move. Haldeman was instructed to further evaluate the logistics and feasibility of this administrative reassignment.","topics":["Robert F. Ellsworth","George A. Lincoln","Personnel management","White House staffing","NATO"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T21:12:41.873Z"},"topicSlugs":["robert-f-ellsworth","george-a-lincoln","personnel-management","white-house-staffing","nato"],"audioDurationSec":111,"audioFiles":[{"file":"002-057.mp3","bytes":2109451,"durationSec":111.42,"bitrate":151453,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:20.569Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:32.964Z","transcriptGapSeconds":64,"transcriptGapShare":0.58,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/002-057.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/002-057","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/2/conversation-002-057","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}