{"conversationCode":"002-072","tapeNumber":2,"conversationNumber":72,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-002-072","startDateTime":"1971-04-30T03:04:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-04-30T03:11:00.000Z","startDate":"29-Apr-1971","startTime":"11:04 PM","endDate":"29-Apr-1971","endTime":"11:11 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Connally, John B.;","description":"On April 29, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and John B. Connally talked on the telephone from 11:04 pm to 11:11 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 002-072 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 2-72\n\nDate: April 29,1971\nTime: 11:04 pm - 11:11 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with John B. Connally.\n\n     Connally's speech to Houston Chamber of Commerce\n         -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman\n         -Herbert L. Block\n         -Idanell (Brill) (“Nellie”) Connally\n         -Alger Hiss case\n\n     President's press conference\n           -Comments of unknown woman\n                 -Jonathan C. Rose\n           -Questions\n           -Vietnam\n           -Domestic issues\n           -People’s Republic of China [PRC\n           -Demonstrators\n           -Rose\n           -Reaction\n                                                                                               Back to Top\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n     Texas drought\n          -Climate\n          -Economic conditions\n\n     President's schedule\n\n[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under court order from\nDecember 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums, et al. v. James M.\nPowell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records Administration produced this\ntranscript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]\n\n[End of transcript]\n\n     Connally's schedule\n         -Meeting with corporate executives\n                -Hedley W. Donovan\n\n     Vietnam\n\n     Administration's policy\n         -Prisoners of war [POWs]\n\n     Connally's meeting with corporate executives\n         -Donovan\n\n     President's press conference\n\n     Lyndon B. Johnson Library\n         -Connally\n         -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew\n\n     President's press conference\n           -Vietnam\n                 -Sarah McLendon\n                 -John F. Kennedy and Johnson\n           -President's military options\n                 -Vietnam\n\n                                                                                               Back to Top\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542","filename":["002-072.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:46:27","tapeEnd":"02:53:52","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Connally, John B."],"prevCode":"002-071","nextCode":"002-073","transcript":[{"start":1.01,"end":6.42,"text":"Okay."},{"start":6.44,"end":8.1,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":8.12,"end":8.68,"text":"Hello, John?"},{"start":9.94,"end":11.66,"text":"Are you in Texas?"},{"start":11.68,"end":15.15,"text":"Good, good."},{"start":15.17,"end":16.05,"text":"Oh, well, that's great."},{"start":16.07,"end":17.23,"text":"Well, you did a..."},{"start":17.25,"end":21.89,"text":"I thought you did a marvelous job before the chamber as Haldeman passed on to you."},{"start":21.91,"end":25.5,"text":"By God, you really took him on and you did..."},{"start":25.87,"end":26.65,"text":"elegant way."},{"start":27.25,"end":36.39,"text":"And the other thing that made me think you would really come across as that son of a bitch, Herblock finally took notice of you."},{"start":36.41,"end":39.62,"text":"It didn't take him long either, did it?"},{"start":39.66,"end":40.42,"text":"Didn't you enjoy it, though?"},{"start":40.46,"end":41.23,"text":"Oh, yeah, he did."},{"start":41.81,"end":43.86,"text":"Let me tell you this."},{"start":43.88,"end":51.13,"text":"If Nellie worries, tell her that Herb Locke took me on 23 years ago in his case, and he's been against me ever since."},{"start":51.23,"end":54.03,"text":"And when he took you on, I said, by God, Conley's my man."},{"start":54.95,"end":70.35,"text":"You thought I was like, well, they didn't give me some of the opportunities I wanted, and I'd like to pick them a little more, but I thought I ought to be a little bit, you know, presidential here."},{"start":75.31,"end":78.59,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":78.81,"end":97.66,"text":"That's a terrible question, though."},{"start":97.68,"end":99.28,"text":"No, they didn't ask about the economy."},{"start":99.3,"end":100.44,"text":"They didn't ask about..."},{"start":101.36,"end":104.47,"text":"And they did, you know, I was really loaded for them."},{"start":104.49,"end":119.31,"text":"The pastors never asked a question."},{"start":119.33,"end":119.97,"text":"That's all."},{"start":120.01,"end":120.45,"text":"That's all."},{"start":120.55,"end":122.93,"text":"But do you think I was too easy on them?"},{"start":122.95,"end":123.17,"text":"Ha, ha, ha."},{"start":140.08,"end":147.12,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":156.28,"end":163.5,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":163.52,"end":167.03,"text":"Well, of course, yeah."},{"start":167.05,"end":167.45,"text":"Well... Yeah."},{"start":167.47,"end":167.57,"text":"Sure."},{"start":180.07,"end":207.44,"text":"Tell me, uh, how are things in Texas?"},{"start":207.46,"end":207.7,"text":"No, no rain."},{"start":207.72,"end":207.88,"text":"Goddamn."},{"start":207.9,"end":208,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":208.02,"end":208.12,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":210.75,"end":214.27,"text":"Well, I'm going out, John, to do..."},{"start":214.29,"end":219.96,"text":"I thought, by God, I ought to welcome the 1st Marine Division back."},{"start":219.98,"end":223.95,"text":"You know, after all, damn it, we've heard all these..."},{"start":223.97,"end":227.91,"text":"I mean, there are a few guys that are here bitching about the war."},{"start":228.15,"end":228.62,"text":"We understand that."},{"start":228.63,"end":230.16,"text":"But these guys have served their country."},{"start":230.18,"end":230.94,"text":"They have helped the South Vietnamese."},{"start":230.96,"end":231.88,"text":"They've contributed their money."},{"start":231.9,"end":233.56,"text":"They've raised the little kids."},{"start":233.58,"end":235.1,"text":"By God, the country ought to know that."},{"start":235.12,"end":235.53,"text":"Don't you think so?"},{"start":238.88,"end":245.77,"text":"I've got to come back because they may, these demonstrators, incidentally."},{"start":245.79,"end":248.09,"text":"Will you be back Monday?"},{"start":248.13,"end":250.04,"text":"No, sir, unless you want me to."},{"start":250.06,"end":250.62,"text":"Oh, God, no, don't come."},{"start":250.64,"end":257.41,"text":"Let me say, stay, let me say."},{"start":257.43,"end":257.53,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":257.55,"end":258.37,"text":"I know you told me about that."},{"start":258.39,"end":258.79,"text":"That's wonderful."},{"start":258.81,"end":264.52,"text":"I wish I could come."},{"start":264.54,"end":264.64,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":264.7,"end":264.8,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":268.83,"end":272.54,"text":"Oh, good."},{"start":272.56,"end":283.09,"text":"Look, you can have an enormous effect on them, John, if you just talk positive, but you will."},{"start":283.19,"end":287.74,"text":"But if the war comes up, you can just say, look, the president has a plan."},{"start":287.76,"end":288.66,"text":"He's working it out."},{"start":288.68,"end":289.48,"text":"The war's going to end."},{"start":289.5,"end":290.88,"text":"Now, what do you guys got?"},{"start":290.9,"end":293.45,"text":"You know, don't you really think that's true?"},{"start":293.47,"end":296.73,"text":"And the idea of setting a date is so ridiculous."},{"start":297.72,"end":298.14,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":298.16,"end":301.23,"text":"Why do we tell the enemy, we're going to get out regardless of what you do?"},{"start":301.25,"end":302.93,"text":"The hell with them."},{"start":302.95,"end":309.42,"text":"And also on the POWs, by God, I think the idea that we're going to have a man in Vietnam as long as they've got a man in North Vietnam."},{"start":309.68,"end":314.99,"text":"Well, that's right."},{"start":315.01,"end":315.33,"text":"That's right."},{"start":315.77,"end":317,"text":"That's right."},{"start":325.16,"end":339.15,"text":"Oh, yeah, you'll slip."},{"start":339.86,"end":340.82,"text":"Hell, I know you will."},{"start":340.84,"end":342.34,"text":"Well, anyway."},{"start":342.64,"end":346.44,"text":"Well, you were good, and you're good to call."},{"start":346.46,"end":347.92,"text":"And let me say, I want you and Nellie to know, you work so damn hard now."},{"start":347.94,"end":350.14,"text":"You take a little time off now."},{"start":350.17,"end":350.91,"text":"You understand what I mean?"},{"start":350.93,"end":352.37,"text":"And, oh, incidentally, on the LBJ library..."},{"start":352.63,"end":359.64,"text":"I'm going to fly in from Florida because I'm going to be in Florida at the time."},{"start":359.66,"end":362.65,"text":"But I want you to be sure."},{"start":363.67,"end":368.13,"text":"See, Agnew is going to take the plane down from here."},{"start":368.15,"end":369.1,"text":"I want you to be sure and go."},{"start":369.12,"end":371.26,"text":"And if there's any people that want to go, we'll put on another plane."},{"start":371.28,"end":372.2,"text":"You know what I mean?"},{"start":372.22,"end":372.98,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":373,"end":375.02,"text":"Because I think it's very important that that gets a bus."},{"start":375.04,"end":376.61,"text":"You notice the night where Sarah asked the question."},{"start":376.63,"end":377.65,"text":"I said, now then, we're not going to blame Kennedy."},{"start":377.67,"end":378.49,"text":"And we're not going to blame Johnson."},{"start":378.51,"end":378.83,"text":"Don't you agree?"},{"start":378.85,"end":379.03,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":379.05,"end":381.39,"text":"That was very wise of Johnson."},{"start":381.68,"end":384.04,"text":"Well, it's true, God darn it."},{"start":384.06,"end":391.51,"text":"You know, we disagree with what they did with some of them, but on the other hand, how can you blame two men who tried to do their best for the war?"},{"start":391.69,"end":396.5,"text":"Hell, the war is there."},{"start":396.51,"end":400.34,"text":"Damn, damn right."},{"start":400.36,"end":405.35,"text":"Just one thing I want to tell you that I'm sure you will do it."},{"start":405.37,"end":405.51,"text":"Uh..."},{"start":406.43,"end":424.98,"text":"We've got about two or three more months until we'll haggle around with negotiations."},{"start":425,"end":428.99,"text":"But if these problems, then, when we are cleared down to 184,000, and they refuse to negotiate, then, John, I intend to turn loose the Air Force."},{"start":429.01,"end":430.89,"text":"We're going to bomb every military target in North Vietnam until they turn loose those things."},{"start":430.91,"end":431.39,"text":"Do you agree to that?"},{"start":431.41,"end":431.49,"text":"Yes."},{"start":432.69,"end":434.4,"text":"We've got to do it."},{"start":434.42,"end":435.5,"text":"That's what we're planning to do."},{"start":435.52,"end":439.88,"text":"I don't want to threaten, but we're going to do it."},{"start":440.14,"end":440.24,"text":"Okay."},{"start":440.26,"end":440.5,"text":"All right."},{"start":441.2,"end":441.46,"text":"Bye."},{"start":441.73,"end":441.81,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and John B. 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