{"conversationCode":"002-088","tapeNumber":2,"conversationNumber":88,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-002-088","startDateTime":"1971-05-05T16:43:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-05-05T17:13:00.000Z","startDate":"5-May-1971","startTime":"12:43 PM","endDate":"5-May-1971","endTime":"1:13 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Dean, John W., III;","description":"On May 5, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and John W. Dean, III talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 12:43 pm and 1:13 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 002-088 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 2-88\n\nDate: May 5, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 12:43 pm and 1:13 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\n                                                                                               Back to Top\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\nThe President talked with John W. Dean, III.\n\n[See Conversation No. 491-33C]\n\n[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under court order from\nDecember 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums, et al. v. James M.\nPowell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records Administration produced this\ntranscript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]\n\n[End of transcript]","filename":["002-088.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:15:49","tapeEnd":"03:17:29","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Dean, John W., III"],"prevCode":"002-087","nextCode":"002-089","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":3.72,"text":"Mr. Dean, Mr. President."},{"start":3.74,"end":3.9,"text":"Hello."},{"start":4.1,"end":4.5,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":4.76,"end":6.24,"text":"What's the situation on the hill?"},{"start":6.34,"end":7.48,"text":"Are they up there yet?"},{"start":7.66,"end":10.61,"text":"We have about 2,000 down on the foot of the hill."},{"start":11.15,"end":14.26,"text":"And they're sitting under the trees and generally peaceful at this point in time."},{"start":14.29,"end":14.62,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":15.22,"end":16.14,"text":"What are they planning to do?"},{"start":16.72,"end":20.63,"text":"Well, their intention is to march on the Capitol and attack it."},{"start":21.29,"end":22.43,"text":"Oh, is that right?"},{"start":22.45,"end":22.95,"text":"Siege."},{"start":23.47,"end":23.97,"text":"What time?"},{"start":23.99,"end":24.71,"text":"At what time?"},{"start":25.87,"end":27.09,"text":"Roughly two o'clock."},{"start":27.71,"end":28.88,"text":"Two o'clock."},{"start":29.92,"end":30.7,"text":"And we will do nothing."},{"start":30.72,"end":32.24,"text":"That's the Capitol Police's problem."},{"start":32.26,"end":33.64,"text":"That is correct."},{"start":33.66,"end":34.74,"text":"Are they prepared for it?"},{"start":34.76,"end":35.2,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":36.12,"end":37.54,"text":"Do they have enough personnel and everything?"},{"start":37.62,"end":38.23,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":38.24,"end":39.49,"text":"Have they asked any help from us?"},{"start":39.55,"end":40.13,"text":"No, sir."},{"start":40.15,"end":40.93,"text":"They have not."},{"start":41.43,"end":44.61,"text":"MPD is prepared to give them any assistance down there."},{"start":44.63,"end":45.89,"text":"Yeah, yeah, yeah."},{"start":45.91,"end":46.45,"text":"That's fine."},{"start":46.47,"end":47.01,"text":"That's fine."},{"start":47.03,"end":48.05,"text":"We'll just leave it right there."},{"start":48.38,"end":50.28,"text":"That's their problem."},{"start":50.3,"end":52.42,"text":"And about 2,000 of them going up the hill, huh?"},{"start":52.44,"end":53.02,"text":"Correct."},{"start":53.04,"end":53.14,"text":"Okay."},{"start":53.86,"end":79.72,"text":"I have a status report on the way over on the rest of the city and it's generally quiet yeah yeah yeah things have sort of cooled off apparently I think I think the spirit has been broken you really think so yes I do they had a meeting last night and a good bit of internal dissent amongst the demonstrators on what to do at this point in time yeah like like what why did they dissent what were they dissenting about tactics you mean tactics"},{"start":80.44,"end":91.28,"text":"Rennie Davis, who's out on bond now, was urging that they go to the Lincoln Memorial with the Southern Christian Leadership Group, but the others would not buy that."},{"start":93.69,"end":97.17,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":97.19,"end":97.83,"text":"Okay, fine."},{"start":98.06,"end":99.16,"text":"Yes, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and John Dean discuss the status of anti-war protests in Washington, D.C., specifically focusing on a planned demonstration at the Capitol. Dean informs the President that approximately 2,000 protesters intend to march on the Capitol, but confirms that local authorities are prepared to handle the situation without federal intervention. 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