{"conversationCode":"002-127","tapeNumber":2,"conversationNumber":127,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-002-127","startDateTime":"1971-05-08T22:50:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-05-08T23:05:00.000Z","startDate":"8-May-1971","startTime":"6:50 PM","endDate":"8-May-1971","endTime":"7:05 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.;","description":"On May 8, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone from 6:50 pm to 7:05 pm. 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(“Bob”) Haldeman\n\n[Transcript #1: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under\ncourt order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,\net al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records\nAdministration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]\n\n[End of transcript]\n\n                                                                                               Back to Top\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n            -Colson's conversation with Haldeman\n            -Reaction\n            -Colson's conversation with Dan Rather\n\n     Farm organizations\n          -Support for President\n\n[Transcript #2: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under\ncourt order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,\net al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records\nAdministration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]\n\n[End of transcript]\n\n     Capp\n            -Possible prosecution\n            -Reaction\n            -Role of unknown man and woman\n\n     Demonstrations\n         -Administration's reaction","filename":["002a.mp3","002b.mp3","002c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:41:12","tapeEnd":"04:56:42","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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dda."},{"start":16910.77,"end":16911.97,"text":"Nid yw'n dda."},{"start":16930.47,"end":16934.36,"text":"Os ydych chi eisiau, ydych chi eisiau cymryd y diwrnod?"},{"start":16934.4,"end":16935.76,"text":"Nid, nid, nid, nid."},{"start":16935.78,"end":16936.86,"text":"Byddaf yn bod yma."},{"start":16936.94,"end":16956.14,"text":"Nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid,"},{"start":16958.06,"end":16959.34,"text":"Diolch yn fawr."},{"start":16959.54,"end":16960.8,"text":"Diolch yn fawr."},{"start":16988.01,"end":16989.63,"text":"Diolch yn fawr."},{"start":16990.05,"end":16992.97,"text":"Rwy'n meddwl y byddwn i'n gallu gofyn i chi."},{"start":16993.03,"end":16996.32,"text":"Rwy'n meddwl y byddwn yn gallu gofyn i chi."},{"start":17012.53,"end":17013.73,"text":"Diolch, diolch."},{"start":17013.81,"end":17020.99,"text":"Byddai'n rhaid i chi wneud rhywbeth arall, felly mae'n rhaid i ni wneud hynny."},{"start":17021.03,"end":17024.51,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i chi wneud rhywbeth arall."},{"start":17038.66,"end":17048.23,"text":"Wel, yn unig, mae'n amlwg, os oes ffordd y gallwn ni gael, chi'n gwybod, rhai o'r bobl yng Nghymru i breidio ar hynny, byddai'n hynod o bwysig."},{"start":17048.25,"end":17050.63,"text":"Ac nid yw hynny'n hynod o bwysig."},{"start":17050.69,"end":17051.67,"text":"Ie, mae'n amlwg."},{"start":17051.69,"end":17060.56,"text":"Mae'n debyg ei bod wedi'i gyflwyno i mewn i ddweud, ie, mae'n dod i mewn i weld a yw'r ffordd sy'n rhaid i ni ei wneud ystod y wythnos."},{"start":17060.62,"end":17063.08,"text":"Ac mae hynny'n gwerthfawr i chi ddefnyddio."},{"start":17063.16,"end":17064.16,"text":"Ie, yn ymwneud â hynny."},{"start":17064.32,"end":17066.86,"text":"Ie, yn ymwneud â hynny, mae'n mynd i ddod i me"},{"start":17070.43,"end":17071.31,"text":"Mae'n dda."},{"start":17099.8,"end":17100.68,"text":"Mr. Cousins."},{"start":17128.42,"end":17132.91,"text":"Rwy'n ddysgu amdani amdani, ond dwi ddim yn gwybod."},{"start":17132.93,"end":17140.35,"text":"Dwi'n ddysgu amdani amdani, ond dwi ddim yn gwybod."},{"start":17140.79,"end":17157.08,"text":"Dwi'n ddysgu amdani amdani, ond dwi ddim yn gwybod."},{"start":17161.96,"end":17189.38,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i chi ddweud, mae'n rhaid i chi ddweud, mae'n rhaid i chi ddweud, mae'n rhaid i chi ddweud, mae'n rhaid i chi ddweud, mae'n rhaid i chi ddweud,"},{"start":17200.65,"end":17204.83,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i chi ddweud y gwir."},{"start":17209.17,"end":17210.49,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i chi ddweud y gwir."},{"start":17213.79,"end":17224.73,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i chi ddweud y gwir."},{"start":17224.75,"end":17227.59,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i chi ddweud y gwir."},{"start":17228.38,"end":17232.34,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i fi ddweud y byddwch chi'n gwneud un o'r rhwystrau sydd wedi'u cyflwyno."},{"start":17232.86,"end":17236.39,"text":"Mae'r rhwystrau sydd wedi'u cyflwyno wedi'u cyflwyno."},{"start":17236.49,"end":17239.63,"text":"Mae'r rhwystrau sydd wedi'u cyflwyno."},{"start":17239.72,"end":17242.06,"text":"Mae'r rhwystrau sydd wedi'u cyflwyno."},{"start":17285.44,"end":17293.33,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i fi ddweud hynny."},{"start":17293.35,"end":17302.78,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i mi ddweud hynny."},{"start":17318.72,"end":17320.72,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i mi ddweud y gwir."},{"start":17320.74,"end":17338.69,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i mi ddweud y gwir."},{"start":17340.95,"end":17341.99,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i mi ddweud y gwir."},{"start":17379.93,"end":17380.17,"text":"Ie."},{"start":17380.41,"end":17380.45,"text":"Ie."},{"start":17404.86,"end":17407.4,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i mi sicrhau bod hynny'n iawn."},{"start":17407.44,"end":17410.8,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i mi sicrhau bod hynny'n iawn."},{"start":17410.84,"end":17412.38,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i mi sicrhau bod hynny'n iawn."},{"start":17412.46,"end":17414.24,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i mi sicrhau bod hynny'n iawn."},{"start":17414.52,"end":17417.12,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i mi sicrhau bod hynny'n iawn."},{"start":17417.2,"end":17419.06,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i mi sicrhau bod hynny'n iawn."},{"start":17419.08,"end":17421.16,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i mi sicrhau bod hynny'n iawn."},{"start":17421.18,"end":17422.74,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i mi sicrhau bod hynny'n iawn."},{"start":17422.76,"end":17424.52,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i mi sicrhau bod hynny'n iawn."},{"start":17424.54,"end":17427.06,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i mi sicrhau bod hynny'n iawn."},{"start":17427.08,"end":17429.74,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i mi sicrhau bod hynny'n iawn."},{"start":17429.76,"end":17430.12,"text":"Mae'n r"},{"start":17454.2,"end":17460.02,"text":"Rwy'n meddwl bod hynny'n bwysig iawn."},{"start":17483.24,"end":17504.17,"text":"Rwy'n meddwl nad ydw i'n deall pam roedd hynny'n gwneud hynny, oherwydd roedd hi'n ymwneud â hynny."},{"start":17504.65,"end":17507.35,"text":"Ie, mae'r peth yw nad oes unrhyw un yn gwneud hynny yn ymwneud â'r syniad hwnnw."},{"start":17507.37,"end":17512.53,"text":"Mae'r prifysgol yn gwybod ei fod yn rhyfeddol yn ymwneud â hynny."},{"start":17521.53,"end":17540.63,"text":"Mae'n ddiddorol."},{"start":17542.23,"end":17544.31,"text":"Mae'n ddiddorol."},{"start":17545.11,"end":17545.89,"text":"Mae'n ddiddorol."},{"start":17566.69,"end":17596.43,"text":"Na, dwi'n meddwl dwi'n meddwl dwi'n meddwl dwi'n meddwl dwi'n meddwl dwi'n meddwl dwi'n meddwl dwi'n meddwl dwi'n meddwl dwi'n meddwl dwi'n meddwl dwi'n meddwl"},{"start":17600.27,"end":17602.07,"text":"Dwi'n meddwl hwnnw'n ddewis."},{"start":17602.09,"end":17617.83,"text":"Dwi'n meddwl."},{"start":17618.26,"end":17620.21,"text":"Dwi'n meddwl."},{"start":17620.23,"end":17620.47,"text":"Dwi'n meddwl."},{"start":17630.84,"end":17647.21,"text":"Ond rwy'n siŵr bod y pwynt hwnnw'n dda hefyd."},{"start":17647.37,"end":17657.17,"text":"Mae'r rhan fwyaf o'r cwmniadau a'r rhan fwyaf o'r rhan fwyaf o'r rhan fwyaf o'r rhan fwyaf o'r rhan fwyaf o'r rhan fwyaf o'r rhan"},{"start":17678.01,"end":17678.89,"text":"beth byddaf yn ei wneud?"},{"start":17703.21,"end":17707.17,"text":"rwy'n dweud?"},{"start":17717.95,"end":17744.21,"text":"ond un peth yn sicr rydyn ni'n gwybod yw ein bod ni wir wedi cymryd rhan i'r peth o'r argyfwng ar y peth o'r argyfwng ar y peth o'r argyfwng ar y peth o'r argyfwng ar y peth o'r argyfwng ar y peth o'r argyfwng"},{"start":17745.5,"end":17748.56,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i mi wneud yn siŵr mai dyna'r rheswm rydw i'n ei ddweud."},{"start":17748.96,"end":17749.76,"text":"Mae'r rheswm rydw i'n ei ddweud."},{"start":17755.63,"end":17757.49,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i mi wneud yn siŵr mai dyna'r rheswm rydw i'n ei ddweud."},{"start":17757.51,"end":17758.77,"text":"Mae'r rheswm rydw i'n ei ddweud."},{"start":17771.72,"end":17772.88,"text":"Mae rhywun wedi cefnogi 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