{"conversationCode":"002-133","tapeNumber":2,"conversationNumber":133,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-002-133","startDateTime":"1971-05-09T18:04:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-05-09T18:15:00.000Z","startDate":"9-May-1971","startTime":"2:04 PM","endDate":"9-May-1971","endTime":"2:15 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Connally, John B.;","description":"On May 9, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and John B. Connally talked on the telephone from 2:04 pm to 2:15 pm. 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Penney\n               -Sears, Roebuck\n               -Montgomery Ward\n         -Unemployment rate\n         -Press reaction\n               -Hobart Rowen\n               -Richard Jansen, Wall Street Journal\n               -Administration's policies\n\n     Devaluation of the dollar\n          -Connally's possible conversation with Arthur F. Burns\n          -Volcker\n          -Burns’ position on US monetary policy\n          -President's policies\n          -Possible European monetary actions\n\n                                                                                               Back to Top\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n[National Security (B) withdrawal reviewed under MDR guidelines case number LPRN-T-MDR-\n2014-012. Segment exempt per Executive Order 13526, 3.3(b)(1) on 08/30/2017. Archivist: AY]\n[National Security]\n[002-133-w002]\n[Duration: 21s]\n\n     FOREIGN AFFAIRS\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n       Foreign Affairs\n          -Karl Schiller\n          -Henry A. Kissinger\n                -Relations with European leaders\n          -Connally's possible meeting with Kissinger\n          -Connally's possible public statements\n\n     President's dinner with White House correspondents May 8, 1971\n           -Song by unknown young girl\n           -Awards\n                 -G. Harrold Carswell\n                 -Wiretapping\n           -White House press corps\n\n                                                                                               Back to Top\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542","filename":["002a.mp3","002b.mp3","002c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"05:02:52","tapeEnd":"05:13:42","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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ymweld â'r ffrindiau hwnnw."},{"start":18207.33,"end":18210.99,"text":"Dwi'n teimlo bod hynny'n ddiddorol."},{"start":18211.01,"end":18211.95,"text":"Dwi'n teimlo bod hynny'n ddiddorol."},{"start":18212.68,"end":18213.8,"text":"Mae'n stori eich bywyd, nid yw hynny?"},{"start":18214.06,"end":18214.22,"text":"Ie."},{"start":18214.46,"end":18216.11,"text":"Mae hynny'n ddiddorol iawn."},{"start":18216.53,"end":18221.45,"text":"Mae'r mwyaf cerddoriaeth yw ei fod yn rhyfeddol iawn."},{"start":18221.53,"end":18224.08,"text":"Mae'r cerddoriaeth yw ei fod yn rhyfeddol iawn."},{"start":18224.15,"end":18225.4,"text":"Mae'n rhyfeddol iawn."},{"start":18236.28,"end":18262.98,"text":"Rwy'n ddigon ddigon ddigon ddigon ddigon ddigon ddigon ddigon"},{"start":18267.96,"end":18274.7,"text":"Mae'n dda."},{"start":18274.76,"end":18276.01,"text":"Mae'n dda."},{"start":18295.97,"end":18297.94,"text":"A beth roedd e'n cael ei ofyn i chi amdanyn nhw?"},{"start":18297.96,"end":18305.84,"text":"Roedd e'n gofyn iddo ddod i mewn i'r cyffredin?"},{"start":18305.86,"end":18305.9,"text":"Ie."},{"start":18305.92,"end":18305.96,"text":"Ie."},{"start":18305.98,"end":18306.02,"text":"Ie."},{"start":18306.04,"end":18306.14,"text":"Ie."},{"start":18306.46,"end":18306.58,"text":"Ie."},{"start":18306.88,"end":18306.96,"text":"Ie."},{"start":18307.52,"end":18307.64,"text":"Ie."},{"start":18309.16,"end":18309.2,"text":"Ie."},{"start":18326.93,"end":18337.81,"text":"Mae hynny'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n"},{"start":18354.29,"end":18359.36,"text":"Ond un peth dwi wedi'i ddweud i John, roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'r 10 misoedd wedi gwneud hynny'n wych."},{"start":18359.38,"end":18362.42,"text":"O, roedd hynny'n wych."},{"start":18362.58,"end":18366.44,"text":"Ie, ac roedd hynny'n rhywbeth sy'n ymwneud â'r preswyl."},{"start":18366.56,"end":18371.22,"text":"Mae rhywun sy'n ymwneud â'r preswyl."},{"start":18371.26,"end":18372.82,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i ni wneud hynny."},{"start":18372.84,"end":18372.88,"text":"Ie."},{"start":18372.96,"end":18374.21,"text":"Felly mae'r wlad yn ein safle."},{"start":18374.22,"end":18374.97,"text":"Ie, do, dim cwestiwn am hynny."},{"start":18376.45,"end":18399.83,"text":"Dwi'n meddwl dwi ddim yn teimlo ddim yn teimlo dwi ddim yn teimlo dwi ddim yn teimlo dwi ddim yn teimlo dwi ddim yn teimlo dwi ddim yn teimlo dwi ddim yn teimlo dwi ddim yn teimlo dwi ddim yn teimlo dwi ddim yn teimlo dwi ddim yn teimlo dwi ddim yn teimlo dwi ddim yn teimlo dwi ddim yn teimlo dwi ddim yn teimlo dwi ddim yn teimlo"},{"start":18419.85,"end":18421.85,"text":"Mae'n ddiddorol bod yn gwneud pethau."},{"start":18421.94,"end":18425.64,"text":"Mae'n ddiddorol bod yn gwneud pethau."},{"start":18447.96,"end":18454.66,"text":"Mae'n debyg bod Cymru'n mynd i'w llwyddo, ond nid yw hynny'n gyffredinol i unrhyw un ohonynt."},{"start":18454.74,"end":18456.64,"text":"Beth yr ydym ni eisiau ei ddefnyddio?"},{"start":18456.76,"end":18460.84,"text":"Dwi ddim yn meddwl bod hynny'n mynd i'w llwyddo."},{"start":18461.3,"end":18462.6,"text":"Mae hynny'n mynd i'w llwyddo."},{"start":18462.76,"end":18466.33,"text":"Dwi'n meddwl bod rhai o'r bobl hyn yn gwneud hynny."},{"start":18466.45,"end":18467.79,"text":"Maen nhw'n gwneud hynny."},{"start":18467.83,"end":18469.63,"text":"Dwi'n meddwl bod eich llinell yn unig iawn."},{"start":18469.65,"end":18470.09,"text":"Mae'n hollbwysig."},{"start":18470.21,"end":18472.61,"text":"Rydyn ni'n deall ei fod wedi'i ddefnyddio."},{"start":18472.63,"end":18475.11,"text":"Dwi'n meddwl bod Cymru'n mynd i'w llwyddo ac mae'n mynd i'w llw"},{"start":18476.81,"end":18479.24,"text":"Cymru, Cymru, Cymru."},{"start":18481.63,"end":18488.5,"text":"y byddai'r Fyrwyr yn llwyddo'n gyda'i gilydd."},{"start":18488.82,"end":18495.74,"text":"Mae hynny'n amlwg."},{"start":18495.76,"end":18497.04,"text":"Mae hynny'n amlwg."},{"start":18497.22,"end":18498.85,"text":"Mae hynny'n amlwg."},{"start":18498.87,"end":18501.13,"text":"Mae hynny'n amlwg."},{"start":18501.39,"end":18503.31,"text":"Mae hynny'n amlwg."},{"start":18503.37,"end":18506.49,"text":"Mae hynny'n amlwg."},{"start":18506.63,"end":18509.05,"text":"Mae hynny'n amlwg."},{"start":18511.66,"end":18514.3,"text":"Rydyn ni ddim yn mynd i geisio ei ddweud unrhyw beth."},{"start":18514.34,"end":18519.84,"text":"Rydych chi'n cymryd y lline, ac nid ydych chi'n edrych ar unrhyw beth."},{"start":18519.86,"end":18536.91,"text":"Rydyn ni ddim yn mynd i geisio ei ddweud unrhyw beth."},{"start":18536.93,"end":18539.67,"text":"Rydyn ni ddim yn mynd i geisio ei ddweud unrhyw beth."},{"start":18548.08,"end":18550.48,"text":"Mae hynny'n dda."},{"start":18550.6,"end":18554.15,"text":"Mae hynny'n dda."},{"start":18572.85,"end":18577.13,"text":"Yn ystod y flwyddyn nesaf, byddwn ni'n gallu gwneud hynny."},{"start":18577.15,"end":18589.82,"text":"Yn hytrach na'r flwyddyn nesaf, byddwn ni'n gallu gwneud hynny."},{"start":18589.84,"end":18595.66,"text":"Yn ystod y flwyddyn nesaf, byddwn ni'n gallu gwneud hynny."},{"start":18595.72,"end":18599.79,"text":"Yn ystod y flwyddyn nesaf, byddwn ni'n gallu gwneud hynny."},{"start":18600.28,"end":18602.56,"text":"Mae'n dda iawn."},{"start":18602.6,"end":18605.4,"text":"Mae'n dda iawn."},{"start":18622.21,"end":18627.64,"text":"Felly rydyn ni i gyd wedi gwneud hynny."},{"start":18628.22,"end":18631.4,"text":"Rydyn ni wedi gwneud hynny."},{"start":18631.42,"end":18637.87,"text":"Rydyn ni wedi gwneud hynny."},{"start":18647.02,"end":18653.13,"text":"Fodd bynnag, nid yw'r bwysau wedi bod yn ddrwg iawn i ni, wrth gwrs."},{"start":18653.17,"end":18660.05,"text":"Fodd bynnag, nid yw'r bwysau wedi bod yn ddrwg iawn i ni, wrth gwrs."},{"start":18660.13,"end":18665.07,"text":"Fodd bynnag, nid yw'r bwysau wedi bod yn ddrwg iawn i ni, wrth gwrs."},{"start":18665.79,"end":18668.59,"text":"Fodd bynnag, nid yw'r bwysau wedi bod yn ddrwg iawn i ni, wrth gwrs."},{"start":18668.61,"end":18673.48,"text":"Fodd bynnag, nid yw'r bwysau wedi bod yn ddrwg iawn i ni, wrth gwrs."},{"start":18681.03,"end":18706.96,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i mi ddweud y byddwch chi wedi cael eisoes hong, ond rwy'n meddwl y byddwch chi wedi cael eisoes hong, ond rwy'n meddwl y byddwch chi wedi cael eisoes hong, ond rwy'n meddwl y byddwch chi wedi cael eisoes hong."},{"start":18710.95,"end":18716.83,"text":"Diolch yn fawr."},{"start":18716.89,"end":18720.37,"text":"Diolch yn fawr."},{"start":18722.27,"end":18727.69,"text":"Diolch yn fawr."},{"start":18728.77,"end":18728.95,"text":"I ni."},{"start":18729.01,"end":18729.09,"text":"I ni."},{"start":18729.11,"end":18730.27,"text":"I ni ac i nhw."},{"start":18730.29,"end":18732.71,"text":"Rydyn ni eisiau iddyn nhw gael sefyllfa."},{"start":18732.73,"end":18734.93,"text":"Ond nid yw'n gallu gwneud hynny nawr."},{"start":18735.13,"end":18737.83,"text":"Nid yw'n gallu gwneud hynny nawr."},{"start":18737.85,"end":18741.34,"text":"Nid yw'n gallu gwneud hynny nawr."},{"start":18741.36,"end":18744.84,"text":"Nid yw'n gallu gwneud hynny nawr."},{"start":18744.92,"end":18747.66,"text":"Nid yw'n gallu gwneud hynny nawr."},{"start":18747.68,"end":18749.62,"text":"Nid yw'n gallu gwneud hynny nawr."},{"start":18749.78,"end":18753.94,"text":"Nid yw'n gallu gwneud hynny nawr."},{"start":18753.96,"end":18755.82,"text":"Nid yw'n gallu gwneud hynny nawr."},{"start":18756.75,"end":18760.41,"text":"Rydyn ni ddim yn gwybod beth rydyn ni'n ei wneud."},{"start":18760.43,"end":18765.75,"text":"Rydyn ni ddim yn sicr yn ffrangu, rydyn ni ddim yn sicr yn ffrangu ar hyn o bryd."},{"start":18765.77,"end":18771.83,"text":"Rydyn ni ddim yn sicr yn ffrangu, rydyn ni ddim yn sicr yn ffrangu ar hyn o bryd."},{"start":18772.09,"end":18775.27,"text":"Rydyn ni ddim yn sicr yn ffrangu ar hyn o bryd."},{"start":18783.96,"end":18800.81,"text":"Mae hynny'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n 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