{"conversationCode":"002-143","tapeNumber":2,"conversationNumber":143,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-002-143","startDateTime":"1971-05-10T23:15:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-05-10T23:22:00.000Z","startDate":"10-May-1971","startTime":"7:15 PM","endDate":"10-May-1971","endTime":"7:22 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ford, Gerald R.;","description":"On May 10, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Gerald R. Ford talked on the telephone from 7:15 pm to 7:22 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 002-143 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 2-143\n\nDate: May 10, 1971\nTime: 7:15 pm - 7:22 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Gerald R. Ford.\n\n     Supersonic Transport [SST]\n          -Forthcoming vote in Congress\n          -Opposition\n          -Strategy\n          -Ford's conversation with John N. Mitchell\n                -W. Clement Stone\n                -Richard J. Daley\n                -Chicago Democrats\n\n     President's schedule, May 11, 1971\n           -Clark MacGregor\n           -Luncheon on Capitol Hill\n           -Lobbying\n           -President's possible calls\n\n                                                                                               Back to Top\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n     SST vote\n          -Time\n          -Debate\n\n     Revenue sharing\n         -Wilbur D. Mills\n         -John D. Ehrlichman\n         -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew\n         -Breakfast meeting\n               -Mills\n               -John W. Byrnes\n               -Ford\n               -Carl B. Albert\n               -John B. Connally\n               -George H.W. Bush\n               -Byrnes\n\n[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under court order from\nDecember 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums, et al. v. James M.\nPowell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records Administration produced this\ntranscript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]\n\n[End of transcript]","filename":["002a.mp3","002b.mp3","002c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"05:20:03","tapeEnd":"05:26:01","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ford, Gerald R."],"prevCode":"002-142","nextCode":"002-144","tapeTranscriptFile":"002a.mp3,002b.mp3,002c.mp3","transcript":[{"start":19287.36,"end":19287.74,"text":"a T. Wilson."},{"start":19288.74,"end":19298.95,"text":"Ac mae'n cytuno â Wilson yn y prinsipol y byddai'n bosibl cyflawni'r prototipoedd o fewn y 600 miliwn, sy'n costau i'r Llywodraeth o'r cyllid cyllid ac adnoddau a chanfodau."},{"start":19298.99,"end":19307.56,"text":"Felly, mae'n dweud ei bod yn gallu cyflwyno rhagor o bwysigrwydd i'r Cyngras os nad yw'n bwysig am y prosbectaeth neu'r negosiadau."},{"start":19307.62,"end":19315.92,"text":"Felly, byddwn i'n dweud eu bod wedi gwneud y gwaith, ond byddwn i'n siŵr"},{"start":19318.01,"end":19321.55,"text":"Ac hefyd, rydych chi'n gwybod, rydw i'n meddwl bod hynny'n dda."},{"start":19321.79,"end":19345.62,"text":"Ie, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am y gwaith, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am yr amgylchedd, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am yr amgylchedd, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am yr amgylchedd, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am yr amgylchedd, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am yr amgylchedd, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am yr amgylchedd, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am yr amgylchedd, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am yr amgylchedd, rydw i ddim yn bwysig am yr amgylchedd,"},{"start":19346.68,"end":19347.96,"text":"Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen."},{"start":19347.98,"end":19349.32,"text":"Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen."},{"start":19349.34,"end":19351.54,"text":"Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen."},{"start":19351.56,"end":19354.56,"text":"Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen."},{"start":19355.12,"end":19357.82,"text":"Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen."},{"start":19357.84,"end":19359.66,"text":"Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen."},{"start":19359.68,"end":19361.02,"text":"Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen."},{"start":19361.4,"end":19366.14,"text":"Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen."},{"start":19367.26,"end":19369.14,"text":"Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen."},{"start":19369.2,"end":19370.06,"text":"Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen."},{"start":19370.08,"end":19371.54,"text":"Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd ymlaen."},{"start":19371.58,"end":19375.3,"text":"Mae'n iawn, rydyn ni'n mynd y"},{"start":19377.01,"end":19378.77,"text":"Gadewch i mi ddod ymlaen, efallai y gallaf ddarganfod hynny."},{"start":19378.79,"end":19383.38,"text":"Ie, byddwn ni yma."},{"start":19383.47,"end":19386.52,"text":"Mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda."},{"start":19386.56,"end":19387.06,"text":"Mae'n dda, mae'n dda."},{"start":19387.16,"end":19391.62,"text":"Mae'n dda, mae'n dda."},{"start":19391.84,"end":19394.8,"text":"Mae'n dda, mae'n dda."},{"start":19394.82,"end":19398.72,"text":"Mae'n dda, mae'n dda."},{"start":19399.02,"end":19400.24,"text":"Mae'n dda, mae'n dda."},{"start":19401.94,"end":19404.56,"text":"Roeddwn i ddim wedi gwneud hynny bob amser."},{"start":19406.6,"end":19408.42,"text":"Roeddwn i wedi gwneud hynny bob amser."},{"start":19408.44,"end":19409.76,"text":"Roeddwn i wedi gwneud hynny bob amser."},{"start":19409.94,"end":19413.13,"text":"Roeddwn i wedi gwneud hynny bob amser."},{"start":19413.33,"end":19418.61,"text":"Roeddwn i wedi gwneud hynny bob amser."},{"start":19435.67,"end":19438.03,"text":"Diolch yn fawr."},{"start":19443.87,"end":19457.82,"text":"Diolch yn fawr."},{"start":19457.86,"end":19458.86,"text":"Diolch yn fawr."},{"start":19458.92,"end":19459.78,"text":"Diolch yn fawr."},{"start":19468.15,"end":19468.22,"text":"Ie."},{"start":19493.68,"end":19497.08,"text":"Rydyn ni wedi gweld un o'r 5 oed."},{"start":19497.1,"end":19497.66,"text":"Beth oeddech chi'n ei wneud?"},{"start":19497.68,"end":19502.2,"text":"Rydyn ni ddim wedi gweld unrhyw wybodaeth hyd yn oed."},{"start":19502.22,"end":19504.88,"text":"Mae'n rhan o'n strategaeth, wrth gwrs."},{"start":19504.96,"end":19511.56,"text":"Mae ganddyn nhw'r profil a'r prif, ond dwi'n siŵr y byddai'n rhaid i ni ddweud hynny."},{"start":19511.58,"end":19514.56,"text":"Rydw i'n clywed John Mitchell, os ydych chi'n gofyn."},{"start":19515.01,"end":19516.39,"text":"Mae ganddyn nhw'n ddweud hynny."},{"start":19516.71,"end":19521.05,"text":"Mae ganddyn nhw'n siŵr y byddai'n rhaid i 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