{"conversationCode":"003-028","tapeNumber":3,"conversationNumber":28,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-003-028","startDateTime":"1971-05-12T21:34:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-05-12T21:36:00.000Z","startDate":"12-May-1971","startTime":"5:34 PM","endDate":"12-May-1971","endTime":"5:36 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Boland, Edward P.;","description":"On May 12, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Edward P. Boland talked on the telephone from 5:34 pm to 5:36 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 003-028 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 003-028\n\nDate: May 12, 1971\nTime: 5:34 pm - 5:36 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Edward P. Boland.\n\n[See Conversation No. 499-002/498-001B]\n\n     Supersonic transport [SST] vote\n          -Boland's role\n          -Upcoming Senate vote\n          -House-Senate conference action\n          -National spirit","filename":["003-028.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:31:28","tapeEnd":"00:32:18","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Boland, Edward P."],"prevCode":"003-027","nextCode":"003-029","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":3.18,"text":"Mr. President, how are you?"},{"start":3.5,"end":9.49,"text":"Well, I just wanted to call you to tell you how grateful I am for your fine work in this SST."},{"start":9.61,"end":16.07,"text":"I know that you take a lot of heat, you know, from people that are on the other side, but without your help, we could have never done"},{"start":16.05,"end":18.41,"text":"Well, without that, down there we could have done all that."},{"start":18.51,"end":28.27,"text":"And I must say that, you know, you went in there and you took the leadership on your side, and I'm very grateful, and we're going to do our best to try to see if we can turn the Senate around."},{"start":28.31,"end":30.53,"text":"If we can't, we're going to make those conferees do their best."},{"start":30.65,"end":31.23,"text":"Well, that's fine."},{"start":31.27,"end":34.06,"text":"But I think from the standpoint of the country, that's the main thing."},{"start":34.08,"end":34.58,"text":"I agree."},{"start":34.56,"end":38.51,"text":"And that's what's really involved there, apart from whether we can go faster to Europe."},{"start":38.53,"end":39.57,"text":"You and I don't care about that."},{"start":39.59,"end":44.44,"text":"But, my God, we don't want the United States to be number two in a place where we've been number one around the world."},{"start":44.46,"end":44.72,"text":"Exactly."},{"start":44.76,"end":45.05,"text":"Right."},{"start":45.19,"end":46.69,"text":"I appreciate your call, Mr. President."},{"start":47.89,"end":47.99,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon initiated this call to personally thank Representative Edward P. Boland for his pivotal leadership in securing House support for the Supersonic Transport (SST) program. The two discussed the importance of the project to national prestige and the necessity of maintaining American technological superiority. Boland pledged to continue his efforts in the upcoming Senate vote and during the subsequent House-Senate conference to ensure the project's survival.","topics":["Supersonic Transport","SST","Edward P. Boland","National prestige","Legislative strategy","Aviation technology"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T21:23:10.716Z"},"topicSlugs":["supersonic-transport","sst","edward-p-boland","national-prestige","legislative-strategy","aviation-technology"],"audioDurationSec":48,"audioFiles":[{"file":"003-028.mp3","bytes":614400,"durationSec":48.32,"bitrate":101713,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:20.570Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:33.594Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/003-028.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/003-028","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/3/conversation-003-028","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}