{"conversationCode":"003-033","tapeNumber":3,"conversationNumber":33,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-003-033","startDateTime":"1971-05-12T21:45:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-05-12T21:48:00.000Z","startDate":"12-May-1971","startTime":"5:45 PM","endDate":"12-May-1971","endTime":"5:48 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Mills, Wilbur D.;","description":"On May 12, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Wilbur D. Mills talked on the telephone from 5:45 pm to 5:48 pm. 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Long\n               -Conservatives\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n            -Upcoming House action\n            -Tax provisions\n            -John J. Rhodes\n            -House-Senate conferees\n                  -Jackson E. (“Jack”) Betts\n                  -John W. Byrnes\n            -Long and Wallace F. Bennett\n                  -President's role\n            -President's role and Mills’ role\n                  -Richardson's statement\n\n     Mills’ granddaughter","filename":["003-033.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:37:18","tapeEnd":"00:39:45","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Mills, Wilbur D."],"prevCode":"003-032","nextCode":"003-034","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":3.4,"text":"Mr. President, I have Congressman Mills for you."},{"start":4,"end":4.34,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":5.58,"end":6.54,"text":"Hello."},{"start":7.2,"end":12.41,"text":"I just wanted to tell you how pleased I was that the committee got H.R."},{"start":12.43,"end":13.51,"text":"1 out today."},{"start":13.53,"end":21.03,"text":"I know you've really been slaving on the thing, and I just want you to know how grateful I am."},{"start":21.01,"end":42.46,"text":"made a little comment about it but uh saying that i had uh was how pleased we were but i wanted you to personally know how much i appreciate it i sure appreciate you calling me now we've got about 24 very fundamental reforms including what you recommended and what the committee's added there i think you're going to be very pleased with it tell me this uh with everything you've done well don't you really feel now that the the senate uh"},{"start":42.44,"end":49.53,"text":"I'm going to talk to Russell on those bills again, but this ought to cool some of that, get some of the conservatives in the Senate."},{"start":49.55,"end":50.71,"text":"That's our hope, isn't it?"},{"start":50.73,"end":52.01,"text":"It's to get them back."},{"start":52.13,"end":53.6,"text":"They were the ones that blocked it before."},{"start":53.78,"end":57.7,"text":"Absolutely, and it's a much better bill than we had, to be very frank."},{"start":57.78,"end":60.71,"text":"What's your prospectus in the House?"},{"start":60.91,"end":65.11,"text":"Well, we'll report it Monday, so it'll be an amendment to H-1."},{"start":65.16,"end":66.66,"text":"We won't have to introduce clean bills."},{"start":67.13,"end":72.17,"text":"And then the report itself will be filed by midnight, May the 26th."},{"start":72.19,"end":72.57,"text":"May 26th."},{"start":72.67,"end":75.28,"text":"We can take it up the first week or the second week in June."},{"start":75.52,"end":78,"text":"And then you'll have, you don't have a closed rule on this, do you?"},{"start":78.02,"end":78.8,"text":"Oh, we will have."},{"start":78.82,"end":79.12,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":79.8,"end":80.65,"text":"Ah, good, good."},{"start":80.87,"end":81.15,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":81.25,"end":81.89,"text":"That's great."},{"start":82.07,"end":82.63,"text":"That's great."},{"start":82.65,"end":85.27,"text":"We've got tax provisions as well as... And you'll win."},{"start":85.41,"end":86.29,"text":"Oh, yes."},{"start":86.8,"end":87.25,"text":"Okay."},{"start":87.28,"end":88.44,"text":"They'll give it to John and me."},{"start":88.46,"end":89.28,"text":"Right, right."},{"start":89.72,"end":91.38,"text":"And you'll have good conferees."},{"start":91.44,"end":92.24,"text":"Oh, yes, sir."},{"start":93.26,"end":93.86,"text":"All right."},{"start":93.92,"end":94.59,"text":"Well, that's great."},{"start":94.61,"end":95.53,"text":"All right."},{"start":95.55,"end":95.97,"text":"Well..."},{"start":95.95,"end":110.05,"text":"On my part, I've already, as you know, had a talk with Russell Long and Wally Bennett, and I will personally work the Senate as hard as I can."},{"start":110.09,"end":117.44,"text":"I've said publicly everywhere, and I'll continue to say it, that this is a partnership bill between the White House and the Ways and Means Committee."},{"start":117.46,"end":118.86,"text":"You've been in on all of it."},{"start":119,"end":119.48,"text":"That's right."},{"start":119.5,"end":120.3,"text":"Approve all of it."},{"start":120.59,"end":123.65,"text":"And there's all that you wanted, and you've taken some pages."},{"start":123.85,"end":126.66,"text":"And basically, there's credit for all of us in it."},{"start":126.78,"end":128.24,"text":"And that's the way I played it here."},{"start":128.26,"end":132.09,"text":"I told Elliot, I said, now just go out there and say this is when we all work together on it."},{"start":132.13,"end":132.72,"text":"And that's what he said."},{"start":133.12,"end":134.76,"text":"I want to say it on the floor of the house when we get back."},{"start":134.94,"end":135.66,"text":"Thanks a lot."},{"start":135.82,"end":136.4,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":136.44,"end":138.19,"text":"Give my best to that cute little granddaughter."},{"start":138.23,"end":141.84,"text":"Any girl that comes in and says she loves me, I'm all for her."},{"start":141.86,"end":142.72,"text":"Well, you don't forget her."},{"start":142.84,"end":143.08,"text":"Okay."},{"start":143.1,"end":143.92,"text":"I'll never forget you."},{"start":143.96,"end":144.5,"text":"Okay."},{"start":144.84,"end":145.99,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon called Representative Wilbur D. 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