{"conversationCode":"003-073","tapeNumber":3,"conversationNumber":73,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-003-073","startDateTime":"1971-05-19T23:48:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-05-19T23:50:00.000Z","startDate":"19-May-1971","startTime":"7:48 PM","endDate":"19-May-1971","endTime":"7:50 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On May 19, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman talked on the telephone from 7:48 pm to 7:50 pm. 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(“Bob”) Haldeman; background noise can be heard in the original\nrecording.\n\n     Mathias Resolution\n         -Vote\n               -Congressional relations [?] staff\n                     -Vice President's office, Senate galleries\n\n                  -Possible future amendment\n\n     Mansfield Amendment\n         -Senate debate\n\n     Mathias Resolution\n         -John Sherman Cooper\n               -President's call\n                     -Timing\n         -Effect of vote\n               -Mansfield Amendment\n\n     Mansfield Amendment\n         -Forthcoming vote\n               -Factors\n\n     Mathias\n          -Effect on Mathias Resolution\n          -Possible future amendment\n\n     Calls\n             -Haldeman to President\n             -President to Cooper\n             -Haldeman to William P. Rogers\n\n                                                                             Conversation No. 003-074\n\nDate: May 19, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 7:50 pm and 7:55 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator.\n\n     Call to Henry A. Kissinger","filename":["003-073.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:35:01","tapeEnd":"01:37:36","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"003-072","nextCode":"003-074","transcript":[{"start":0.76,"end":1.28,"text":"Hello."},{"start":1.58,"end":1.82,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":1.94,"end":2.8,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":2.82,"end":4.14,"text":"I heard that Mathias lost."},{"start":4.6,"end":5.74,"text":"Yeah, by 73 to 20."},{"start":6.44,"end":7.2,"text":"Unbelievable."},{"start":7.22,"end":19.12,"text":"Well, maybe they're trying to figure it out now."},{"start":19.14,"end":25.09,"text":"Our guys are over at the left side."},{"start":25.11,"end":25.2,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":25.23,"end":26.29,"text":"But they think there may be something funny going on."},{"start":26.31,"end":26.51,"text":"Like what?"},{"start":26.53,"end":26.89,"text":"Another amendment?"},{"start":26.91,"end":27.01,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":27.03,"end":28.43,"text":"Because they can't imagine how the boat could have been that lopsided."},{"start":28.45,"end":30.29,"text":"And apparently there are people with us that they have no reason to believe would be."},{"start":31.81,"end":52.71,"text":"So there might be a deal on another amendment, is that it?"},{"start":52.73,"end":55.31,"text":"That's what they're thinking, because there were several amendments that were withdrawn that have the option of we removing them."},{"start":55.33,"end":55.41,"text":"Yes."},{"start":55.43,"end":58.46,"text":"And they can come back on, so they may have mobilized on some other device, although they ran the full course on the Bay Line, if I remember correctly."},{"start":58.48,"end":60.06,"text":"They're now in a debase period on Mansfield, but Mansfield can deal with the..."},{"start":61.1,"end":64.34,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":64.36,"end":66.29,"text":"Well, I was going to call Cooper and thank him."},{"start":66.31,"end":67.13,"text":"I'm going to wait."},{"start":67.15,"end":67.91,"text":"You better wait."},{"start":67.93,"end":72.29,"text":"You're damn right."},{"start":76.44,"end":77.18,"text":"Because I'm not sure what he's up to."},{"start":77.2,"end":77.32,"text":"Right."},{"start":77.34,"end":77.72,"text":"It may have worked."},{"start":77.74,"end":78.72,"text":"I mean, it may be that Cooper got the word wrong."},{"start":78.74,"end":79,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":79.02,"end":82.86,"text":"I said, look, you know, because we gave them both a hint that something was coming."},{"start":88.47,"end":88.57,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":88.59,"end":89.57,"text":"Well, that might have worked, and that may do it."},{"start":89.59,"end":90.35,"text":"If so, it's going to be a hell of a..."},{"start":91.76,"end":100.59,"text":"Hell of a boat, because Cooper, I mean, Manfield will go down by at least that much."},{"start":100.61,"end":106.1,"text":"Now, he'll get more boats than that, because people do it because of their personal feeling for him, but it'll still win."},{"start":108.54,"end":115.93,"text":"As long as they know it's going to move."},{"start":115.95,"end":116.05,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":116.07,"end":116.59,"text":"That's the other thing."},{"start":116.61,"end":118.62,"text":"There's so many of Nathan and I that they could... Oh, you think that's it?"},{"start":118.64,"end":118.7,"text":"Oh."},{"start":118.72,"end":120,"text":"That was one of the things they raised this morning, was that..."},{"start":121.11,"end":134.07,"text":"An awful lot of people just don't want to support Mathias."},{"start":134.09,"end":134.19,"text":"Good."},{"start":134.21,"end":134.85,"text":"Because they don't like the guy."},{"start":134.87,"end":136.23,"text":"Which might be also the reason that there might be another vote."},{"start":136.25,"end":137.19,"text":"But our guys are working there."},{"start":137.27,"end":143.56,"text":"Call me as soon as we know what the final verdict is, and then I'll call Cooper, but not before."},{"start":143.58,"end":143.68,"text":"Okay."},{"start":143.7,"end":145.12,"text":"Good, good."},{"start":145.14,"end":145.8,"text":"Call Bill."},{"start":146.34,"end":149.87,"text":"You call Bill and tell him that congratulations on Mathias."},{"start":150.15,"end":151.99,"text":"But we're watching the rest, will you?"},{"start":152.56,"end":152.7,"text":"Sure."},{"start":152.72,"end":154.61,"text":"Good."},{"start":154.63,"end":154.73,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. 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Rogers to share the news while maintaining vigilance over ongoing Senate debates regarding the Mansfield Amendment.","topics":["Mathias Resolution","Mansfield Amendment","Congressional relations","John Sherman Cooper","Senate floor strategy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T21:27:16.591Z"},"topicSlugs":["mathias-resolution","mansfield-amendment","congressional-relations","john-sherman-cooper","senate-floor-strategy"],"audioDurationSec":155,"audioFiles":[{"file":"003-073.mp3","bytes":2672873,"durationSec":154.69,"bitrate":138235,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:20.570Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/003-073.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/003-073","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/3/conversation-003-073","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}