{"conversationCode":"004-034","tapeNumber":4,"conversationNumber":34,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-004-034","startDateTime":"1971-06-04T19:11:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-06-04T19:12:00.000Z","startDate":"4-Jun-1971","startTime":"3:11 PM","endDate":"4-Jun-1971","endTime":"3:12 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On June 4, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler talked on the telephone from 3:11 pm to 3:12 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 004-034 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 4-34\n\nDate: June 4, 1971\nTime: 3:11 pm - 3:12 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L.. Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 512-24]\n\n     President's schedule\n           -Meeting with Nelson A. Rockefeller\n           -Photographic coverage\n           -John V. Lindsay\n           -Location\n           -Subject of meeting","filename":["004-034.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:02:57","tapeEnd":"02:03:47","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"004-033","nextCode":"004-035","transcript":[{"start":1.01,"end":1.29,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.57,"end":1.83,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":2.07,"end":6.1,"text":"I'm going to have a little 15-minute chat with Rockefeller before this meeting."},{"start":6.4,"end":10.68,"text":"You think you want to have people take a picture of it?"},{"start":10.7,"end":12.8,"text":"I don't think we need it today, Mr. President."},{"start":12.82,"end":14.37,"text":"I'm thinking of it for the purpose of New York."},{"start":14.49,"end":18.25,"text":"I mean, it's having snublincy and so forth."},{"start":18.29,"end":21.08,"text":"I mean, I'm just thinking of the... See what I mean?"},{"start":21.1,"end":21.74,"text":"Okay, fine."},{"start":21.76,"end":22.02,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":22.06,"end":24.84,"text":"The idea of just being in good relations with the governor isn't bad."},{"start":24.86,"end":25.82,"text":"Right."},{"start":26.56,"end":27.95,"text":"I'll talk to him and see if he..."},{"start":28.79,"end":29.55,"text":"It feels it's a good idea."},{"start":29.57,"end":30.57,"text":"Will you do it in the EEOB?"},{"start":31.13,"end":31.55,"text":"No, no, no, no."},{"start":31.61,"end":32.53,"text":"I'm in the Oval Office."},{"start":32.59,"end":33.15,"text":"I see."},{"start":33.19,"end":33.62,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":33.63,"end":41.03,"text":"We just haven't popped in, and the governor and I have been chatting about federal, you know, federal... Fine, before the foreign intelligence."},{"start":41.05,"end":42.19,"text":"Yeah, federal-state relations."},{"start":42.21,"end":43.15,"text":"I think it's a good idea."},{"start":43.27,"end":44.98,"text":"Revenue-sharing, federal-state relations."},{"start":45.64,"end":45.84,"text":"Right."},{"start":46,"end":46.68,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":47,"end":47.44,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":47.46,"end":48.38,"text":"Yes, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler discuss the optics and scheduling of an upcoming meeting with New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller. They deliberate on whether to permit photographic coverage of the meeting to project an image of positive federal-state relations, ultimately aiming to influence New York political perceptions. The President confirms the meeting will take place in the Oval Office rather than the EEOB to focus the conversation on topics such as revenue-sharing.","topics":["Nelson Rockefeller","White House photography","Federal-state relations","Revenue sharing","Public relations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T21:43:16.076Z"},"topicSlugs":["nelson-rockefeller","white-house-photography","federal-state-relations","revenue-sharing","public-relations"],"audioDurationSec":49,"audioFiles":[{"file":"004-034.mp3","bytes":597723,"durationSec":49.25,"bitrate":97097,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:21.077Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/004-034.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/004-034","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/4/conversation-004-034","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}