{"conversationCode":"005-007","tapeNumber":5,"conversationNumber":7,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-005-007","startDateTime":"1971-06-11T20:08:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-06-11T20:09:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Jun-1971","startTime":"4:08 PM","endDate":"11-Jun-1971","endTime":"4:09 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan);","description":"On June 11, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 4:08 pm and 4:09 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 005-007 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 5-7\n\nDate: June 11, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 4:08 pm and 4:09 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator; Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon can be heard in\nthe background.\n\n[See Conversation No. 517-25A]\n\n     Call to Secretary Elliot L. Richardson\n\n                                                                 Conversation\n                                                                 Conv. No. 5-7No.\n                                                                               (cont.)\n                                                                                  5-8\n\nDate: June 11, 1971\nTime: 4:09 pm - 4:11 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked Elliot L. Richardson.\n\n[See Conversation No. 517-25B]\n\n     New York Times article on Richardson\n         -John D. Ehrlichman","filename":["005-007.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:09:29","tapeEnd":"00:09:36","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","White House operator","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)"],"prevCode":"005-006","nextCode":"005-008","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":3.39,"text":"Just one call out."},{"start":3.43,"end":4.18,"text":"No, no, stay right here."},{"start":4.2,"end":5.69,"text":"Secretary Richardson, please."},{"start":5.71,"end":6.43,"text":"Yes, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon instructed the White House operator to place an outgoing call to Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare Elliot L. Richardson. This brief interaction served as a logistical precursor to a formal discussion regarding a New York Times article concerning the Secretary. The conversation facilitated the immediate transition to the subsequent official consultation between the President and Richardson.","topics":["Elliot L. Richardson","New York Times","White House communications","Cabinet relations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T21:50:53.357Z"},"topicSlugs":["elliot-l-richardson","new-york-times","white-house-communications","cabinet-relations"],"audioDurationSec":7,"audioFiles":[{"file":"005-007.mp3","bytes":79972,"durationSec":6.64,"bitrate":96357,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:20.571Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/005-007.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/005-007","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/5/conversation-005-007","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}