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Conversation 005-012

TapeTape 5StartFriday, June 11, 1971 at 5:46 PMEndFriday, June 11, 1971 at 5:54 PMTape start time00:12:16Tape end time00:20:21ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Kissinger, Henry A.Recording deviceWhite House Telephone
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On June 11, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger talked on the telephone from 5:46 pm to 5:54 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 005-012 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 5-12

Date: June 11, 1971
Time: 5:46 pm - 5:54 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Henry A. Kissinger.

Schedule

US foreign relations
     -People's Republic of China [PRC]
     -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
     -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
The press

[Pause]

     -Walter L. Cronkite, Jr.
     -President's schedule
     -William S. Paley
     -Frank Stanton
     -Arthur O. Sulzberger
     -Treatment of the President compared to Lyndon B. Johnson

Democrats in Congress
    -Johnson
    -George S. McGovern-Mark O. Hatfield resolution
    -President
    -Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield

President's schedule
     -Cronkite

Clark M. Clifford's call to William H. Sullivan

Edward M. Kennedy

Hubert H. Humphrey

Wheat shipments to USSR
    -George Meany
    -Jay Lovestone
Transcript (AI-Generated)

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

Hello?
Yeah.
Hello?
Hi, Henry.
Any last-minute developments?
No, I finished my rehearsal.
Okay.
I think we're going to get the answer from the other side by Monday.
I think they're going to deliver it at the other place.
Okay.
They think they're going to get a chance with us.
Yeah.
Good.
What about, uh, Dave?
Well, that usually takes at least two weeks.
You gave him two weeks.
But I gave him, and it takes a little bit.
But if we haven't got the answer, we just have to play it.
Yeah, that's right.
Right.
Well, anyway, you had the feeling that you're
Oh, just a minute.
I got it.
That's all right.
I let this one go.
Go ahead.
But I think, for example, if all the truck rides, you know, be in the dock there, then... Yeah, I know.
But I think this is really, you know, good.
And, uh... Good, sir.
I can do something.
But I think it's good that he doesn't have the old fire in his belly anymore.
He doesn't think he's most worried now about how do we do other things today.
You know, he's here, he's fresh.
I'm for that.
He's willing.
Oh, he is willing.
It's up to him.
It's up to him to make.
I like him as a person.
He said he'd be willing to come in and talk to a group of people.
I'll talk to him.
I don't complain.
Sure he would, but I'm not going to complain to him.
I'm just going to say, look, you know what you're doing.
Let's just cut it off.
I think if I could, I wouldn't have to be scared to do it.
Sure, sure, I'll talk to him.
He's an old...
I think that would be such an unexpected move for... You could just say, look, the president thinks he should know that I have never said anything personal about him.
He's ripped me up a couple times, but quite a few times.
But I've always felt personally very friendly to him, and I still do.
I'm glad to talk to him.
And it's not in a complaining way.
I realize they've got their games moving on.
I'll give him some of the cold steel we gave him.
I've got... You can call it that.
I'd be delighted to see.
But I think if I could call him and say, I've mentioned... Yeah.
Right.
I think that that would have... Yeah.
And that's the purpose that I've got to do.
Compliance is...
I consider them all personal friends.
We know that they're new staffs.
Remus, that's all.
See, I call him Remus, too.
Yeah.
That's nice to hear a little of that, though.
You weren't hearing it before, were you?
You know, these people must realize that they put an unconscionable strain on me and on Congress.
They, you know, they damn near broke Johnson.
They really put more on me than they have on him.
Because, basically, he had control.
He had the Congress.
I don't.
Never.
Never.
Never.
But the point is that they...
I think some of these guys would know about taking... What...
I think, again, on the one hand, some of them may know us.
On the other hand, a decent guy like him, he's probably a nice guy, so it's a lot of... A decent guy would like to say, well, gee, that's pretty tough.
But also, it scares some of them, Henry, because by God, they'd know that they're not getting to me.
And the fact that he tells you a story that you believe is true is so interesting.
Right.
That, you know, has its effect on you.
And I think the mask is nice, and I'm sure that he's really welcome to help us.
Sure, I'll see.
Okay.
Well, we'll see how the other things work out.
Uh, right.
President Clifford now called Sullivan, said he would give him his information, explain to him, which will do the operation through.
Ha, ha.
He can't do it.
He can't do it.
He's got some ambition behind him now.
Well, he's in.
I think both he and Teddy are overshot.
And that's done.
And even Humphrey can somewhat do your work.
He did a great deal.
He's such a color, he doesn't do it out of conviction.
He's not saying to print, you know, just print it and hang it up.
And that's definitely on the weekend.
Iron Mountain is going to be a big thing.
All that does is have to solidify it.
Farmers out there, you know,
We'll have medium.
I just hope we've got a shipment.
That's all we need.
Right.
Well, we have no trouble on the West Coast with Chinese ships.
That's what I mean.
We've got a shipment.
Okay.
We'll see about that after the meeting.
Okay.
Got you.
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