Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 5 › Conversation 005-128

Nixon, Ehrlichman & MacGregor on Congressional relations and Gerald Ford

Tuesday, June 22, 1971 · 1:48 PM–10:24 PM ET · White House Telephone · 2 min

ParticipantsEhrlichman, John D.; White House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President); MacGregor, ClarkConversation005-128 on Tape 5 (tape position 03:53:55–03:55:44)StartTuesday, June 22, 1971 at 1:48 PMEndTuesday, June 22, 1971 at 10:24 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 005-128 ↗

John Ehrlichman and Clark MacGregor coordinate the President’s urgent delivery of documents to Congress, acting on advice from Gerald Ford that a prompt response is of the highest importance. The participants discuss scheduling a breakfast meeting to facilitate this transfer and consider expanding the guest list to include key congressional leadership, such as Mike Mansfield and Carl Albert. They conclude by confirming the logistical arrangements to ensure the President’s actions are handled effectively without negative press or legislative friction.

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Just a moment, sir.
Thank you.
for Les Aarons.
Hello.
Hello, hello.
Yes, John.
You had something from Jerry?
Jerry Ford thought it was a matter of the highest importance that the President not wait to be appearing to respond to the Congress, but that the
President tender not later than tomorrow morning.
How would breakfast tomorrow be?
Be perfect.
Yeah, he's going to do it.
Good.
One other thought that I had, it might be advisable, John, if he's going to tender these documents both to the Senate and to the House, to expand the Mansfield breakfast to include the big five, that is Mansfield, Scott, Speaker, Ford, and Boggs.
I don't know about that.
All right.
But I'll try.
Well, I'm not.
I don't feel strongly about it.
I say I didn't want the speaker to feel it.
No, but don't you have him positioned on this pretty well?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, that's what I told the president that you said you had.
Yeah.
In other words, he's standing by really.
And if I can call him the minute the president has, you know, finished with.
Mm hmm.
I didn't want the press to come to the speaker.
I got you.
What do you feel about the president's announcement?
Okay, fine.
We'll arrange that.
All right, thank you.

On June 22, 1971, John D. Ehrlichman, White House operator, President Richard M. Nixon, and Clark MacGregor talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:48 pm and 10:24 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 005-128 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 5-128

Date: June 22, 1971
Time: Unknown between 1:48 pm and 10:24 pm
Location: White House Telephone

John D. Ehrlichman talked with the White House operator; the President can be heard in the
background.

[See Conversation No. 527-12A]

     Call to Clark MacGregor

Ehrlichman talked with MacGregor

     Leslie C. Arends

     President's schedule
          -Tendering documents
          -Meeting with Gerald R. Ford
          -Breakfast meeting with Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield
          -Hugh Scott, Carl B. Albert, Ford, [Thomas] Hale Boggs
  • 005-129 1:48 PM · 8 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:48 pm and 10:24 pm.
  • 527-001 1:48 PM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:48 pm and 1:50 pm.
  • 527-002 1:48 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:48 pm and 1:50 pm.
  • 527-003 1:48 PM · 3 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:48 pm to 1:50 pm.
  • 527-004 1:50 PM · 1 hr 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander P. Butterfield, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, unknown person(s), John D. Ehrlichman, Henry A. Kissinger, and Melvin R. Laird met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:50 pm to 3:07 pm.
  • 527-005 3:07 PM · 11 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:07 pm and 3:11 pm.
  • 527-006 3:07 PM · 5 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:07 pm and 3:11 pm.
  • 527-007 3:07 PM · 8 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:07 pm and 3:11 pm.

Conversation 005-128, June 22, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/005-128 (accessed October 22, 2026).