{"conversationCode":"005-140","tapeNumber":5,"conversationNumber":140,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-005-140","startDateTime":"1971-06-23T18:45:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-06-23T18:46:00.000Z","startDate":"23-Jun-1971","startTime":"2:45 PM","endDate":"23-Jun-1971","endTime":"2:46 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); DuPont, Pierre S.;","description":"On June 23, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Pierre S. DuPont talked on the telephone from 2:45 pm to 2:46 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 005-140 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 5-140\n\nDate: June 23, 1971\nTime: 2:45 pm - 2:46 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Pierre S. DuPont.\n\n[See Conversation No. 258-40]\n\n     DuPont's favorable speech on behalf of resolution\n         -Vietnam hearings","filename":["005-140.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:21:37","tapeEnd":"04:22:40","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","DuPont, Pierre S."],"prevCode":"005-139","nextCode":"005-141","transcript":[{"start":0.79,"end":1.55,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.57,"end":2.63,"text":"I have Congressman DuPont."},{"start":3.38,"end":4.74,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":4.9,"end":5.14,"text":"Hello."},{"start":5.7,"end":6.14,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":6.72,"end":20.27,"text":"I just wanted to tell you that in talking with some of our people in the leadership up there who attended the caucus a couple, a few days ago, that they spoke of how very effectively you spoke and"},{"start":20.55,"end":38.98,"text":"on that uh resolution that came up and i just wanted to express my appreciation well mr president it's hard to step up to these these tough ones like that and i i appreciate it and i i think in the end you're going to look pretty good because you know we're going to we're doing some things that people don't know about that will i think be very effective in this field"},{"start":38.96,"end":40.22,"text":"Well, I certainly appreciate it."},{"start":40.24,"end":42.25,"text":"It is hard to step up sometimes."},{"start":42.27,"end":43.21,"text":"Sure, sure."},{"start":43.25,"end":50.4,"text":"Now in the middle of the Vietnam hearings, hearing testimony on all these resolutions, so we've got plenty of work coming."},{"start":50.42,"end":51.56,"text":"You're having a lot of fun, aren't you?"},{"start":51.7,"end":52.5,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":52.6,"end":53.64,"text":"It didn't turn out to be dull."},{"start":53.66,"end":54.5,"text":"You've got a good committee."},{"start":54.62,"end":56.59,"text":"No, it turned out very nicely."},{"start":56.6,"end":56.93,"text":"All right."},{"start":57.01,"end":59.55,"text":"Well, anyway, I appreciate it very much, Pete."},{"start":59.65,"end":60.97,"text":"Mr. President, I appreciate the call."},{"start":61.15,"end":61.71,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon called Congressman Pierre S. DuPont to express his appreciation for DuPont’s effective public support of a resolution during recent Vietnam-related hearings. DuPont acknowledged the difficulty of taking such a stance and hinted at ongoing, undisclosed administration efforts regarding the conflict. The brief exchange served to solidify political alignment and boost morale for the Congressman amidst intense congressional debate.","topics":["Vietnam War","Congress","Political Strategy","Foreign Policy","Legislative Hearings"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T22:02:53.355Z"},"topicSlugs":["vietnam-war","congress","political-strategy","foreign-policy","legislative-hearings"],"audioDurationSec":63,"audioFiles":[{"file":"005-140.mp3","bytes":781238,"durationSec":62.68,"bitrate":99704,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:21.078Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/005-140.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/005-140","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/5/conversation-005-140","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}