{"conversationCode":"005-142","tapeNumber":5,"conversationNumber":142,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-005-142","startDateTime":"1971-06-23T18:51:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-06-23T18:52:00.000Z","startDate":"23-Jun-1971","startTime":"2:51 PM","endDate":"23-Jun-1971","endTime":"2:52 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Brown, Garry E.;","description":"On June 23, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Garry E. Brown talked on the telephone from 2:51 pm to 2:52 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 005-142 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 5-142\n\nDate: June 23, 1971\nTime: 2:51 pm - 2:52 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Garry E. Brown.\n\n[See Conversation No. 258-42A]\n\n     Brown's talk before Congress on Lucien N. Nedzi-Charles W. Whalen, Jr. issue\n\n     Vietnam","filename":["005-142.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:25:07","tapeEnd":"04:26:11","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Brown, Garry E."],"prevCode":"005-141","nextCode":"005-143","transcript":[{"start":0.74,"end":1.24,"text":"Hello."},{"start":1.62,"end":2.93,"text":"I have Congressman Gary Brown."},{"start":4.49,"end":4.88,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":5.26,"end":5.64,"text":"Hello."},{"start":5.92,"end":6.04,"text":"Hello."},{"start":6.64,"end":9.23,"text":"Gary, I just wanted to call to tell you that I"},{"start":9.77,"end":28.49,"text":"I heard several reports from the caucus the other day that one of the most effective talks in the whole deal was made by you on that Nesty Whelan thing, and coming as you do with your interesting neighbor up there, I thought that took a lot of guts, and I just wanted to tell you how much I appreciated it."},{"start":28.53,"end":29.87,"text":"Well, thank you very much, Mr. President."},{"start":29.93,"end":31.23,"text":"I was happy to do it."},{"start":31.25,"end":32.44,"text":"I hope you don't get too much flack."},{"start":32.46,"end":35.04,"text":"Of course, as I often say to my friends, you're an intellectual."},{"start":35.06,"end":36.5,"text":"They'll believe you."},{"start":36.48,"end":39.51,"text":"Well, I trust that you're right."},{"start":39.95,"end":42.49,"text":"The district is very transitional in this area."},{"start":42.51,"end":44.63,"text":"And, of course, that was the whole issue of my campaign last time."},{"start":44.65,"end":45.72,"text":"But I think you're right."},{"start":45.76,"end":47.24,"text":"Well, the main thing, let me tell you this."},{"start":47.34,"end":53.33,"text":"Just remember that I said on June the 23rd, you're going to look awful good next year about this issue."},{"start":53.69,"end":55.63,"text":"And that's my job, and we're going to do it."},{"start":55.69,"end":56.91,"text":"Well, I have confidence in you, too."},{"start":57.17,"end":58.41,"text":"And we're moving along."},{"start":58.94,"end":59.38,"text":"Okay."},{"start":59.68,"end":60.88,"text":"Well, thanks very much for calling."},{"start":60.92,"end":61.32,"text":"Fine, Gary."},{"start":61.34,"end":61.88,"text":"Very nice of you."},{"start":62.24,"end":62.32,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon called Congressman Garry E. Brown to commend him for his courageous floor speech opposing the Nedzi-Whalen amendment, which sought to limit U.S. military involvement in Vietnam. Nixon praised Brown's performance within the Republican caucus and expressed confidence that Brown's stance would prove politically advantageous by the following year. Brown acknowledged the political sensitivity of the issue in his district, while both men briefly signaled alignment on the broader trajectory of the administration's Vietnam policy.","topics":["Vietnam War","Nedzi-Whalen amendment","Congressional relations","Garry E. Brown","Republican Party"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T22:03:04.565Z"},"topicSlugs":["vietnam-war","nedzi-whalen-amendment","congressional-relations","garry-e-brown","republican-party"],"audioDurationSec":64,"audioFiles":[{"file":"005-142.mp3","bytes":803572,"durationSec":63.97,"bitrate":100493,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:21.078Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/005-142.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/005-142","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/5/conversation-005-142","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}