{"conversationCode":"005-152","tapeNumber":5,"conversationNumber":152,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-005-152","startDateTime":"1971-06-23T19:48:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-06-23T19:49:00.000Z","startDate":"23-Jun-1971","startTime":"3:48 PM","endDate":"23-Jun-1971","endTime":"3:49 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On June 23, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler talked on the telephone from 3:48 pm to 3:49 pm. 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No.\n                                                                         Association’s\n                                                                            5-150 (cont.)\n          [AMA] attitude toward health reform\n          -Unknown man's comments at dinner, June 22","filename":["005-152.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:31:58","tapeEnd":"04:33:37","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"005-151","nextCode":"005-153","transcript":[{"start":1.15,"end":2.03,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":3.15,"end":3.75,"text":"Hello."},{"start":3.77,"end":4.13,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":4.15,"end":6.49,"text":"After you get along, get out that story, all right?"},{"start":6.51,"end":6.83,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":7.23,"end":8.31,"text":"It seems to be moving well."},{"start":8.93,"end":9.07,"text":"Fine."},{"start":9.71,"end":25.11,"text":"And defense has issued a statement this afternoon, too, indicating the fact that Laird is working it out with congressional leaders in a way that will maintain full security of the documents so it doesn't compromise any of the court proceedings."},{"start":25.37,"end":25.61,"text":"Good."},{"start":26.45,"end":28.99,"text":"But, well, I think it moved, as we had discussed."},{"start":29.43,"end":30.91,"text":"And the main thing is to..."},{"start":31.64,"end":36.12,"text":"Just keep our, sure it doesn't appear to be a defensive action on our part."},{"start":37.04,"end":38.45,"text":"I made it clear."},{"start":38.57,"end":41.71,"text":"I was asked a question."},{"start":41.75,"end":44.89,"text":"Well, it appears that the president made this decision after the vote last night."},{"start":45.15,"end":46.23,"text":"I came back very quickly."},{"start":46.26,"end":49.82,"text":"I said, no, as a matter of fact, the president made this decision in Key Biscayne over the weekend, period."},{"start":50.94,"end":56.35,"text":"So it doesn't seem that we're reacting to any one event or anything particularly."},{"start":56.37,"end":58.17,"text":"You made it over the weekend and..."},{"start":58.47,"end":64.41,"text":"in Key Biscayne because we didn't want confusion to exist in the minds of the Congressmen."},{"start":64.42,"end":66.51,"text":"Well, we couldn't have set up a breakfast that soon anyway."},{"start":66.69,"end":67.93,"text":"That's right."},{"start":68.33,"end":69.12,"text":"Full assessment."},{"start":69.14,"end":72.87,"text":"I think, Mr. President, what the gentleman last night at the dinner was referring to,"},{"start":73.25,"end":79.24,"text":"In terms of the, he indicated in the negative report that the news stories were very positive."},{"start":79.74,"end":80.08,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":80.1,"end":90.21,"text":"I think on the AMA, I think what he's referring to, NBC did a piece about the AMA attitudes toward health reform and so forth."},{"start":90.23,"end":92.12,"text":"But it did not relate to your visit at all."},{"start":92.38,"end":94.08,"text":"Well, I would expect that."},{"start":94.96,"end":95.48,"text":"That's all right."},{"start":95.56,"end":95.88,"text":"Fine."},{"start":96,"end":96.64,"text":"Okay, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler coordinate the administration's public messaging regarding the release of the Pentagon Papers. They emphasize portraying the decision to release the documents as a proactive move made by the President at Key Biscayne rather than a defensive reaction to congressional or judicial pressures. 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