{"conversationCode":"005-157","tapeNumber":5,"conversationNumber":157,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-005-157","startDateTime":"1971-06-24T14:45:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-06-24T14:47:00.000Z","startDate":"24-Jun-1971","startTime":"10:45 AM","endDate":"24-Jun-1971","endTime":"10:47 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Byrnes, John W.;","description":"On June 24, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and John W. Byrnes talked on the telephone from 10:45 am to 10:47 am. 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(President)","Byrnes, John W."],"prevCode":"005-156","nextCode":"005-158","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":1.63,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":1.75,"end":4.4,"text":"Coming for John Burns, Mr. President."},{"start":4.42,"end":4.72,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":4.92,"end":6,"text":"Yes, sir, Mr. President."},{"start":6.02,"end":6.38,"text":"Hi, Johnny."},{"start":6.72,"end":9.09,"text":"I'm going to be seeing you Monday, I guess, or Tuesday."},{"start":9.13,"end":11.18,"text":"Yeah, Monday night, I guess."},{"start":11.23,"end":18.89,"text":"Yeah, but I wanted you to know that I'm most grateful for the way that you and your sidekick Mills came through on that bill."},{"start":18.93,"end":19.75,"text":"That was really something."},{"start":19.91,"end":20.01,"text":"Well,"},{"start":19.99,"end":24.34,"text":"Getting 43 votes majority, that really surprised me."},{"start":24.36,"end":28.13,"text":"I didn't think you, on the key vote, I just... Well, everything, you know, they got polarized."},{"start":28.19,"end":32,"text":"I was sorry that we didn't have a better, a little better Republican vote than we had."},{"start":32.02,"end":32.4,"text":"Forget it."},{"start":32.62,"end":33.28,"text":"What the heck."},{"start":33.32,"end":35.08,"text":"Nobody's going to remember who voted for what."},{"start":35.74,"end":36.21,"text":"That's right."},{"start":36.23,"end":41.5,"text":"But, you know, it would have been nice if more of our boys... Yeah, the only thing, of course, that disturbs me, Johnny, is that..."},{"start":42.07,"end":45.66,"text":"You know, I hear so many of our friends say this is a giveaway and that sort of thing."},{"start":45.68,"end":48.89,"text":"And when they say that about you and me, good God, it really burns me."},{"start":48.91,"end":49.63,"text":"Well, it burns me."},{"start":49.65,"end":50.56,"text":"We're trying our best."},{"start":51.04,"end":52.6,"text":"Mills said an interesting thing to me."},{"start":52.62,"end":53.43,"text":"He said, you know..."},{"start":53.9,"end":61.17,"text":"When you talk about this guaranteed annual wages thing, he says, at the present time, we have a guaranteed annual income for people for doing nothing."},{"start":61.21,"end":62.09,"text":"That's right."},{"start":62.31,"end":64.61,"text":"But this is a guaranteed income for people that do something."},{"start":65.57,"end":69.04,"text":"And nothing for anybody that does nothing."},{"start":69.26,"end":69.72,"text":"That's right."},{"start":70.1,"end":71.06,"text":"That's a good point, isn't it?"},{"start":71.48,"end":71.68,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":71.7,"end":72.3,"text":"Oh, absolutely."},{"start":72.32,"end":76.21,"text":"Well, we've been trying to get that message across, but, boy, it's just hard to do it."},{"start":76.37,"end":76.63,"text":"Right."},{"start":77.07,"end":78.77,"text":"They've got this concept of..."},{"start":79.22,"end":80.89,"text":"guaranteed income."},{"start":81.31,"end":85.4,"text":"Well, I've said over and over that it is not a guaranteed income, and I think we've got to continue to say that."},{"start":85.58,"end":90.24,"text":"I said it is not a guaranteed income provides that a man gets paid whether he works or not."},{"start":90.3,"end":92.53,"text":"This provides if a man can work,"},{"start":93.1,"end":95.96,"text":"and refuses to work that he doesn't get paid."},{"start":95.98,"end":97.5,"text":"So that's not a guaranteed income."},{"start":97.52,"end":103.19,"text":"Well, I think you can point out that it's a guarantee that we will help somebody who is willing to help himself."},{"start":103.21,"end":103.97,"text":"That's right."},{"start":103.99,"end":106.29,"text":"No guarantee for a guy that is unwilling to do so."},{"start":106.31,"end":107.57,"text":"Nobody wants to sit in his can."},{"start":107.77,"end":108.35,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":108.37,"end":109.35,"text":"Well, anyways, a good job."},{"start":109.37,"end":112.39,"text":"I'm going to work on, of course, our good friend Russell now."},{"start":112.63,"end":113.58,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":113.59,"end":114.66,"text":"He'll come around the end."},{"start":115.5,"end":120.04,"text":"He may put too much on it, but that's up to you guys to cut it out in conference."},{"start":120.08,"end":120.44,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":120.88,"end":121.56,"text":"Okay, Johnny."},{"start":121.6,"end":122.86,"text":"Talk to you."},{"start":122.88,"end":123.1,"text":"Okay."},{"start":123.08,"end":123.29,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon calls Congressman John W. 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