{"conversationCode":"005-169","tapeNumber":5,"conversationNumber":169,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-005-169","startDateTime":"1971-06-28T15:55:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-06-28T15:56:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Jun-1971","startTime":"11:55 AM","endDate":"28-Jun-1971","endTime":"11:56 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); McDonald, Jack H.;","description":"On June 28, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Jack H. McDonald talked on the telephone from 11:55 am to 11:56 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 005-169 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 5-169\n\nDate: June 28, 1971\nTime: 11:55 am - 11:56 am\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked Jack H. McDonald.\n\n[See Conversation No. 529-23F]\n\n     Greetings\n\n     McDonald's birthday\n\n     Donald G. Brotzman's birthday","filename":["005-169.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:56:00","tapeEnd":"04:56:42","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","McDonald, Jack H."],"prevCode":"005-168","nextCode":"005-170","transcript":[{"start":0.17,"end":4.27,"text":"Congressman McDonald, Mr. President."},{"start":4.29,"end":4.69,"text":"Hello."},{"start":5.33,"end":5.71,"text":"Yes, hello."},{"start":5.73,"end":6.35,"text":"Hello, Jack."},{"start":6.49,"end":7.04,"text":"Yes."},{"start":7.05,"end":7.39,"text":"How are you?"},{"start":7.5,"end":17.67,"text":"I just wanted to know, just talking to our congressional staff here, and I found that you better celebrate because, boy, when you get to be 40, you're old, boy."},{"start":17.85,"end":19.39,"text":"Oh, I'm going to stay 30."},{"start":19.61,"end":20.07,"text":"That's right."},{"start":20.15,"end":21.87,"text":"I'm still celebrating my 39th."},{"start":21.95,"end":23.36,"text":"I just wanted to wish you well."},{"start":23.34,"end":24.92,"text":"But thank you very much, Mr. Fed."},{"start":25.02,"end":29.13,"text":"Incidentally, you'll be interested to know that Bratzman is 49 today."},{"start":29.54,"end":30.96,"text":"So go over and commiserate with him."},{"start":30.98,"end":34.47,"text":"Well, I'll tell you, he looks much better on the paddle ball court than I do."},{"start":34.49,"end":36.52,"text":"Maybe I've aged too fast."},{"start":36.66,"end":37.32,"text":"That's right."},{"start":37.36,"end":39.69,"text":"If you stay in the paddle ball court, I'll bring your weight down."},{"start":39.85,"end":40.57,"text":"Okay."},{"start":40.63,"end":41.01,"text":"Good luck."},{"start":41.19,"end":41.94,"text":"Thank you very much."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Representative Jack H. McDonald engaged in a brief, informal telephone conversation to exchange birthday greetings. During the call, the two men discussed their respective ages and joked about the aging process. The President also suggested that McDonald offer his well-wishes to Representative Donald G. Brotzman, who was celebrating his 49th birthday.","topics":["Birthday","Personal relations","Congressional relations","Donald G. Brotzman"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T22:05:31.837Z"},"topicSlugs":["birthday","personal-relations","congressional-relations","donald-g-brotzman"],"audioDurationSec":42,"audioFiles":[{"file":"005-169.mp3","bytes":522859,"durationSec":41.9,"bitrate":99837,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:21.078Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/005-169.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/005-169","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/5/conversation-005-169","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}