{"conversationCode":"005-170","tapeNumber":5,"conversationNumber":170,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-005-170","startDateTime":"1971-06-28T15:51:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-06-28T17:40:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Jun-1971","startTime":"11:51 AM","endDate":"28-Jun-1971","endTime":"1:40 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); White House operator; Woods, Rose Mary; Connally, John B.;","description":"On June 28, 1971, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman, White House operator, Rose Mary Woods, and John B. Connally talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:51 am and 1:40 pm. 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Connally\n\n     Connally's situation\n\n     Note to Connally\n\nHaldeman conferred with Rose Mary Woods at an unknown time after 11:51 am.\n\n***********************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 36s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n**********************************************************************\n\nHaldeman talked with Connally at an unknown time after 11:51 am.\n\nPresident's conduct at meeting June 28\n     -Forthcoming Cabinet meeting\n     -Forthcoming Cabinet meeting\n            -Melvin R. Laird, William P. Rogers","filename":["005-170.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:56:42","tapeEnd":"04:59:42","participantsList":["Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")","White House operator","Woods, Rose Mary","Connally, John B."],"prevCode":"005-169","nextCode":"005-171","transcript":[{"start":0.25,"end":5.99,"text":"Secretary Conley, please."},{"start":6.01,"end":6.75,"text":"This is Haldeman."},{"start":6.85,"end":8.12,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":28.68,"end":30.05,"text":"He's on a long distance call."},{"start":30.07,"end":32.25,"text":"They wondered if he could ring you right back."},{"start":32.69,"end":33.85,"text":"I'll hang on."},{"start":55.02,"end":55.54,"text":"All right."},{"start":55.56,"end":58.12,"text":"You're giving him a note, Mr. Haldeman."},{"start":58.14,"end":58.2,"text":"OK."},{"start":69.1,"end":69.98,"text":"you"},{"start":107.78,"end":108.88,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":108.9,"end":109.4,"text":"Secretary?"},{"start":109.52,"end":109.84,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":110,"end":112.06,"text":"I'm sorry to bother you, but I wanted to check."},{"start":112.08,"end":122.9,"text":"I had the feeling after this meeting this morning here that rather than going through the baloney and stuff that we were going to do at the Cabinet meeting tomorrow, that he ought to do exactly the same thing at the Cabinet as he did today."},{"start":123.1,"end":123.58,"text":"So did I."},{"start":123.82,"end":124.5,"text":"Do you think so?"},{"start":124.52,"end":126.35,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":127.39,"end":128.27,"text":"I'd say this."},{"start":129.21,"end":132.62,"text":"He couldn't have been more explicit nor more effective than he was this morning."},{"start":133.44,"end":135.72,"text":"Well, that kind of fits with what we were talking about yesterday, too."},{"start":135.94,"end":136.4,"text":"That's right."},{"start":137.19,"end":138.79,"text":"But it needs the full cannon."},{"start":138.81,"end":142.04,"text":"I think doing it with Laird and Rogers there would be ideal."},{"start":142.3,"end":142.94,"text":"So do I."},{"start":142.96,"end":147.04,"text":"He'll have to leave, you know, slant it a little bit differently, but not very damn much."},{"start":147.06,"end":147.66,"text":"Not a hell of a lot."},{"start":149.24,"end":150.85,"text":"Okay, but you do think it's a good idea?"},{"start":150.87,"end":152.41,"text":"Yeah, I sure do."},{"start":152.43,"end":158.77,"text":"And that'll set up the pattern for, you know, your thing on the economy afterwards."},{"start":158.87,"end":159.25,"text":"Right."},{"start":160.22,"end":163.3,"text":"Okay, I just, before I pushed it, I just wanted to get your opinion on that."},{"start":163.32,"end":164.38,"text":"Oh, I sure agree with that."},{"start":164.36,"end":167.09,"text":"And if you follow, it was unwise for some reason."},{"start":167.11,"end":168.59,"text":"No, no, I don't think it's unwise at all."},{"start":168.63,"end":169.96,"text":"I think, hell, it's got to be known."},{"start":170.06,"end":172.65,"text":"And if it isn't known, it's not going to be effective."},{"start":172.67,"end":173.35,"text":"Okay."},{"start":173.37,"end":178.25,"text":"And then, well, you know, if that's what he wants to do, well, then, hell, he ought to tell everybody that's what he's going to do."},{"start":178.69,"end":178.87,"text":"Okay."},{"start":178.89,"end":179.07,"text":"Okay."},{"start":179.09,"end":180.48,"text":"Thank you, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"H. 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