{"conversationCode":"006-007","tapeNumber":6,"conversationNumber":7,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-006-007","startDateTime":"1971-06-28T21:59:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-06-28T22:01:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Jun-1971","startTime":"5:59 PM","endDate":"28-Jun-1971","endTime":"6:01 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Shultz, George P.;","description":"On June 28, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and George P. Shultz talked on the telephone from 5:59 pm to 6:01 pm. 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Shultz.\n\n[See Conversation No. 531-19A]\n\n     Shultz's memo on Milton Friedman\n          -Friedman's views on national economy\n          -Inflation\n          -Money supply\n          -Wage and price controls\n                -Wage-price board\n          -Economic recovery\n          -Statistical information\n                -May and June 1971 retail sales figures\n          -Gross National Product [GNP] figure\n\n     GNP figure\n         -Calculations\n         -Changes","filename":["006-007.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:02:19","tapeEnd":"00:04:58","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Shultz, George P."],"prevCode":"006-006","nextCode":"006-008","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":1.41,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.43,"end":3,"text":"Mr. Schultz."},{"start":3.02,"end":3.26,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":4.42,"end":5.24,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":5.26,"end":9.52,"text":"I was just reading the Freedman's, your memo on Freedman."},{"start":10.3,"end":16.21,"text":"He still is, despite all the crepe hangers, is still sticking to his guns."},{"start":17.48,"end":19.14,"text":"Well, on both sides, that is."},{"start":19.16,"end":20.08,"text":"He thinks that the..."},{"start":20.1,"end":22.36,"text":"He thinks we have made progress on inflation, doesn't he?"},{"start":22.38,"end":23.82,"text":"Yes, but he thinks that the..."},{"start":23.84,"end":25.37,"text":"But if the money supply is..."},{"start":25.39,"end":27.81,"text":"He was thinking it so fast that..."},{"start":28.43,"end":33.06,"text":"We're going to have a hard time making much more, but he thinks that the recovery will come along."},{"start":36.2,"end":48.25,"text":"The main point that I get out of his is that, well, apart from what I expected, his opposition to the wage price board, but the main point I get out of his whole thing is that he's still confident about the recovery."},{"start":48.31,"end":49.98,"text":"He says there is one that's going on."},{"start":50.7,"end":51.36,"text":"Yes, he is."},{"start":51.58,"end":54.86,"text":"He feels there's, in other words, his term that there's a lot in the boiler."},{"start":55.18,"end":56,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":56.02,"end":58.08,"text":"And that it's just bound to start to..."},{"start":58.92,"end":61.11,"text":"start to turn over pretty soon, huh?"},{"start":61.13,"end":61.83,"text":"Yeah, that's right."},{"start":61.85,"end":69.64,"text":"He, of course, his economic information is, statistical material is what he picks up in the papers."},{"start":69.68,"end":79.47,"text":"He doesn't have, and I didn't feel I could sure pass on to him, the GNP figure, although that's been in the papers, so he knows more or less how that has come down."},{"start":79.51,"end":81.45,"text":"You mean the first quarter?"},{"start":81.85,"end":84.71,"text":"Yeah, the 24, the 20 billion."},{"start":84.73,"end":86.03,"text":"20 billion point four."},{"start":86.45,"end":88.48,"text":"Yes, 20.4 that we had."},{"start":90.28,"end":91.96,"text":"But that's his view."},{"start":91.98,"end":92.98,"text":"When will that be final?"},{"start":93.02,"end":94.62,"text":"When will that 20.4 be final?"},{"start":94.84,"end":108.7,"text":"In about the middle of July, we'll have a complete go-through of the entire year level and also their preliminary one for the second quarter."},{"start":109.52,"end":117.37,"text":"Now, they'll then have more information about May sales and June sales a little bit and additional information."},{"start":117.62,"end":118.7,"text":"Additional information."},{"start":118.82,"end":121.14,"text":"But this is just the first rough cut, basically, isn't it?"},{"start":121.16,"end":121.86,"text":"Yes, sir, that's right."},{"start":122.2,"end":126.59,"text":"Although they don't often change it a great deal."},{"start":126.65,"end":128.55,"text":"Well, they changed the first quarter."},{"start":128.71,"end":129.84,"text":"They changed the first quarter."},{"start":130.01,"end":145.06,"text":"And there have been some things since then on the first quarter that could change it up some more, although I understand there's another one that more or less cancels it out, so it's likely to stay just about where it was."},{"start":145.76,"end":147.05,"text":"And how about the second quarter?"},{"start":147.23,"end":149.39,"text":"Well, we don't know."},{"start":149.67,"end":155.15,"text":"Well, it's sort of the late May and June sales picture and inventory pictures will make a difference there."},{"start":157.21,"end":158.4,"text":"Okay, thanks, George."},{"start":158.42,"end":158.78,"text":"Yes, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and George Shultz discussed a memorandum from Milton Friedman regarding the state of the national economy. 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