{"conversationCode":"006-038","tapeNumber":6,"conversationNumber":38,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-006-038","startDateTime":"1971-06-30T13:23:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-06-30T13:45:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Jun-1971","startTime":"9:23 AM","endDate":"30-Jun-1971","endTime":"9:45 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.; White House operator; Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;","description":"On June 30, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, White House operator, and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 9:23 am and 9:45 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 006-038 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 6-38\n\nDate: June 30, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 9:23 am and 9:45 am\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nHenry A. Kissinger talked with the White House operator.\n\n[See Conversation No. 532-6B]\n\n     Call to Alexander M. Haig, Jr.\n\nKissinger talked with Haig at an unknown time; the President can be heard in the background.\n\n     Changes in Congressional resolution on Vietnam\n         -President","filename":["006-038.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:43:43","tapeEnd":"00:44:40","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A.","White House operator","Haig, Alexander M., Jr."],"prevCode":"006-037","nextCode":"006-039","transcript":[{"start":0.1,"end":2.88,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":3.37,"end":4.75,"text":"Get me General Haig, please."},{"start":4.79,"end":13.89,"text":"This is Mr. Kissinger."},{"start":13.91,"end":14.09,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":14.11,"end":14.21,"text":"Okay."},{"start":20.64,"end":21.14,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":21.56,"end":25.24,"text":"Al, the president is making a few more changes in this thing."},{"start":25.4,"end":28.04,"text":"It's not to go until he's cleared it."},{"start":28.26,"end":28.84,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":28.86,"end":28.96,"text":"Fine."},{"start":29.04,"end":30.96,"text":"Will you make sure that they don't distribute it?"},{"start":31.23,"end":31.47,"text":"Yes."},{"start":31.55,"end":34.65,"text":"And will you also make sure that nobody gets the idea we are supporting it?"},{"start":34.97,"end":36.29,"text":"Right, sir."},{"start":36.31,"end":43.3,"text":"We are reluctantly perhaps acquiescing in it, but we are not under any circumstances supporting it."},{"start":44.38,"end":44.9,"text":"Right, sir."},{"start":44.92,"end":47.66,"text":"I'll get that word right."},{"start":47.68,"end":47.94,"text":"All right."},{"start":48.21,"end":49.05,"text":"Good."},{"start":49.07,"end":53.31,"text":"And hold on, but tell them we'll have a text, or may have one, in a little while."},{"start":53.55,"end":53.9,"text":"All right."},{"start":54.28,"end":55.6,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Henry Kissinger and Alexander Haig coordinate the President's final revisions to a Congressional resolution concerning Vietnam. Kissinger emphasizes that the administration must ensure the resolution is not distributed until finalized and clarifies that the White House is merely acquiescing to, rather than supporting, the measure. Haig is tasked with disseminating these instructions to relevant staff to ensure the administration's stance remains properly framed.","topics":["Vietnam War","Congressional relations","Foreign policy","Administration strategy","Executive oversight"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T22:09:11.691Z"},"topicSlugs":["vietnam-war","congressional-relations","foreign-policy","administration-strategy","executive-oversight"],"audioDurationSec":56,"audioFiles":[{"file":"006-038.mp3","bytes":1350811,"durationSec":56.2,"bitrate":192283,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:21.079Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/006-038.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/006-038","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/6/conversation-006-038","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}