{"conversationCode":"007-002","tapeNumber":7,"conversationNumber":2,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-007-002","startDateTime":"1971-07-26T23:37:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-07-26T23:41:00.000Z","startDate":"26-Jul-1971","startTime":"7:37 PM","endDate":"26-Jul-1971","endTime":"7:41 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;","description":"On July 26, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. talked on the telephone from 7:37 pm to 7:41 pm. 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Kissinger's schedule\n          -After meeting report\n          -The President’s preference for a meeting place\n               -Pentagon\n                     -[Unknown person]\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n     Henry A. Kissinger's schedule\n          -Unknown man [Daniel Ellsberg?]\n               -Robert S. McNamara\n               -Rand Corporation\n\n**********************************************************************\n[Previous archivists categorized this section as unintelligible. It has been rereviewed and\nreleased 08/08/2019.]\n[Unintelligible]\n[007-002-w002]\n[Duration: 31s]\n\n     Henry A. Kissinger's schedule\n          -William P. Rogers\n               -Vindictiveness\n                    -The President’s opinion\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n     Henry A. Kissinger's schedule\n          -Vernon A. Walters\n               -Schedule\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n[Previous archivists categorized this section as unintelligible. It has been rereviewed and\nreleased 08/08/2019.]\n[Unintelligible]\n[007-002-w003]\n[Duration: 23s]\n\n     Henry A. Kissinger's schedule\n          -Need for an end date\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n     Henry A. Kissinger's schedule","filename":["007-002.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:00:49","tapeEnd":"00:04:55","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haig, Alexander M., Jr."],"prevCode":"007-001","nextCode":"007-003","transcript":[{"start":8.57,"end":13.74,"text":"11-4-0."},{"start":14.06,"end":14.33,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":16.95,"end":17.73,"text":"And I gather he went to the other side."},{"start":17.75,"end":17.88,"text":"Right."},{"start":17.89,"end":18.02,"text":"Right."},{"start":18.04,"end":19.34,"text":"Well, let's get him here by all means, and we'll have to do that."},{"start":147.69,"end":166.6,"text":"No, sir, I don't think so."},{"start":166.62,"end":167.52,"text":"I think he's fairly weak, but he's a man-guy."},{"start":167.54,"end":168.02,"text":"I mean, what side is he?"},{"start":168.04,"end":168.2,"text":"Liberal?"},{"start":168.22,"end":168.94,"text":"Most people think he's pretty small."},{"start":168.96,"end":169.32,"text":"They've got a mix."},{"start":200.62,"end":209.59,"text":"Okay."},{"start":209.61,"end":210.19,"text":"They must be very busy there."},{"start":210.21,"end":211.59,"text":"My guess is, in other words, one of them slipped out and made a call."},{"start":211.61,"end":211.83,"text":"I think so."},{"start":234.05,"end":236.32,"text":"OK, bye."},{"start":236.34,"end":239.34,"text":"But I think as far as the matter is presented, it's too late."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Richard Nixon and Alexander Haig coordinate the scheduling and logistical arrangements for Henry Kissinger’s upcoming return and debriefing. 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