{"conversationCode":"007-019","tapeNumber":7,"conversationNumber":19,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-007-019","startDateTime":"1971-07-28T21:41:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-07-28T21:43:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Jul-1971","startTime":"5:41 PM","endDate":"28-Jul-1971","endTime":"5:43 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Connally, John B.;","description":"On July 28, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and John B. Connally talked on the telephone from 5:41 pm to 5:43 pm. 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Connally.\n                                               11\n\n                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF\n\n                                       Tape Subject Log\n                                         (rev. 10/08)\n\n\n\n[See Conversation No. 550-3C]\n\n     Federal Reserve Board [?]\n          -Propose changes [?]\n               -Effect\n               -Wright Patman\n               -Arthur F. Burns’ call [to Alan Greenspan?]\n                     -Politics                                 Conv. No. 7-19 (cont.)\n               -Ronald L. Ziegler\n               -Connally's meeting with Burns\n                     -Propose effect\n\n     The President's schedule\n          -George P. Shultz meeting\n               -Connally meeting\n                      -Senators\n                           -Location","filename":["007-019.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:47:21","tapeEnd":"00:49:37","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Connally, John B."],"prevCode":"007-018","nextCode":"007-020","transcript":[{"start":0.18,"end":1.53,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.57,"end":3.05,"text":"Secretary Connolly, Mr. President."},{"start":3.31,"end":4.12,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":4.89,"end":12.78,"text":"I thought you should know, as I'm sure you heard, that your little tactic you suggested got home to our friends across the street."},{"start":14.3,"end":15.56,"text":"Well, that's good."},{"start":15.84,"end":16.72,"text":"I'll tell you."},{"start":16.74,"end":18.96,"text":"And it's a very interesting thing."},{"start":18.98,"end":21.07,"text":"And we, of course, have said, oh, gee, who us?"},{"start":21.2,"end":23.47,"text":"And no, we don't know anything about this."},{"start":23.49,"end":25.69,"text":"But Wright Patman stepped up to it right nice."},{"start":25.73,"end":26.83,"text":"He'd been for that anyway."},{"start":26.85,"end":27.87,"text":"That's right."},{"start":28.63,"end":34.26,"text":"But Arthur is called our friend in New York..."},{"start":35.13,"end":42.26,"text":"who's very close to us, indicated his concern."},{"start":42.36,"end":48.69,"text":"And he's just been told that we feel that this is hurting us politically and that otherwise and so forth and so on."},{"start":48.7,"end":49.91,"text":"Well, he doesn't want to do that."},{"start":49.99,"end":52.43,"text":"He didn't dream that was the case and so forth and so on."},{"start":53.19,"end":55.29,"text":"But I think that we've got his attention."},{"start":55.33,"end":58.2,"text":"Now, we've, of course, Zig, we're all the rest of us."},{"start":58.38,"end":64.04,"text":"I mean, I'm not saying a word, but he's just playing the view that, well, this is something we know nothing about."},{"start":64.76,"end":69.02,"text":"But I thought you should know, just play it, and then you can just play it dumb as hell, too."},{"start":69.24,"end":70.18,"text":"Yeah, I will in the morning."},{"start":70.2,"end":73.53,"text":"I'm having breakfast with him, so I'll play it dumb."},{"start":73.71,"end":79.13,"text":"I think you could just say, well, these things have been, you know, these things are always kicking around, Arthur, but..."},{"start":79.34,"end":80.83,"text":"You never heard me mention it."},{"start":80.85,"end":82.51,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":83.85,"end":85.09,"text":"Isn't that the best way?"},{"start":85.29,"end":86.19,"text":"I think so."},{"start":86.23,"end":87.66,"text":"Whatever comes to your mind."},{"start":87.72,"end":88.54,"text":"No, I think that's fine."},{"start":88.56,"end":90.1,"text":"But in the meantime, don't let up on him."},{"start":90.32,"end":90.74,"text":"Oh, no."},{"start":90.76,"end":92.25,"text":"I don't understand."},{"start":92.39,"end":93.61,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":93.77,"end":101.64,"text":"Because we've got to have some way to get him to say, if he says, what can he do, you say, just make one positive statement."},{"start":101.66,"end":102.7,"text":"He just ought to say,"},{"start":102.68,"end":108.73,"text":"I mean, as far as this, I mean, that there are some positive things happening, because there are some as well as some things that are not positive."},{"start":108.75,"end":109.08,"text":"That's right."},{"start":109.64,"end":110,"text":"Okay."},{"start":110.18,"end":112.7,"text":"George is on his way over there, incidentally."},{"start":113.14,"end":113.81,"text":"I see."},{"start":113.85,"end":117.72,"text":"You apparently called for him, and he was in the meeting, and I think he's headed toward your office."},{"start":117.73,"end":119.24,"text":"Oh, well, I didn't mean to call him out of a meeting."},{"start":119.62,"end":120.64,"text":"Well, we haven't started yet."},{"start":120.68,"end":122.44,"text":"We're meeting with all these senators over here."},{"start":122.73,"end":124.01,"text":"Oh, I see."},{"start":124.05,"end":125.06,"text":"In the library at the mansion."},{"start":125.54,"end":125.96,"text":"Oh, you are?"},{"start":126.06,"end":126.88,"text":"Oh, I'll send him back."},{"start":127,"end":127.48,"text":"Fine, fine."},{"start":127.5,"end":128.02,"text":"No, I can't hurry."},{"start":128.04,"end":129.63,"text":"Fine, I'm sorry."},{"start":129.75,"end":130.81,"text":"I didn't know you were in a meeting."},{"start":131.05,"end":131.85,"text":"No, no, we weren't."},{"start":131.88,"end":132.9,"text":"They're just all having drinks."},{"start":132.92,"end":133.84,"text":"All right, fine, fine."},{"start":133.92,"end":134.66,"text":"Okay, great."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Secretary of the Treasury John Connally discussed a strategy to exert political pressure on Federal Reserve Chairman Arthur Burns regarding monetary policy. 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