{"conversationCode":"007-028","tapeNumber":7,"conversationNumber":28,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-007-028","startDateTime":"1971-07-29T23:31:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-07-29T23:34:00.000Z","startDate":"29-Jul-1971","startTime":"7:31 PM","endDate":"29-Jul-1971","endTime":"7:34 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Shultz, George P.;","description":"On July 29, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and George P. Shultz talked on the telephone from 7:31 pm to 7:34 pm. 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McCracken\n          -Steel strike\n\n     [Pause]\n\n                -James Curtis Counts\n                     -Administration position\n                -Possible meeting\n\n     The President's schedule","filename":["007-028.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:28:37","tapeEnd":"01:31:49","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Shultz, George P."],"prevCode":"007-027","nextCode":"007-029","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":1.33,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":5.08,"end":7.92,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":7.94,"end":8.22,"text":"All right."},{"start":9.34,"end":9.52,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":9.56,"end":23.8,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":23.82,"end":24.16,"text":"Yes, sir, George."},{"start":24.18,"end":27.86,"text":"On the two disputes, on the rail dispute, Hudson and Ussery feel that it would be quite helpful if tomorrow morning we had the parties over here for the purpose of trying to mediate or"},{"start":28.25,"end":50.94,"text":"Tell them what they should settle for, but just to dramatize the impact of the strike on the country."},{"start":50.95,"end":51.16,"text":"All right."},{"start":51.17,"end":51.38,"text":"All right."},{"start":51.4,"end":52.56,"text":"So we thought we would do that at 9 in the Roosevelt Room."},{"start":52.58,"end":54.54,"text":"And include General Lincoln, who's been working on that, and Secretary Volker, and Paul McCracken."},{"start":54.56,"end":54.68,"text":"Right."},{"start":54.7,"end":55,"text":"And the others."},{"start":55.02,"end":55.14,"text":"Right."},{"start":55.16,"end":57.22,"text":"That would be something that you could stick your head in on very easily if you wanted to or not to do."},{"start":57.78,"end":79.09,"text":"Right."},{"start":79.11,"end":79.77,"text":"Yeah, well, I can always do that."},{"start":79.79,"end":80.11,"text":"Just get it out."},{"start":80.13,"end":81.37,"text":"You won't take a big picture of it, but the word will get out."},{"start":81.39,"end":82.03,"text":"I'm going to hold just a second."},{"start":82.05,"end":82.35,"text":"I've got money."},{"start":117.67,"end":144.03,"text":"I see."},{"start":149.98,"end":170.69,"text":"We don't know."},{"start":170.71,"end":170.85,"text":"Motion."},{"start":170.87,"end":171.01,"text":"Motion."},{"start":171.89,"end":191.05,"text":"I'll be here till 6.30, so don't hesitate to follow up now."},{"start":191.07,"end":192.31,"text":"Because before it goes, we want to get funky right there, Max."},{"start":192.33,"end":192.43,"text":"Okay."},{"start":192.45,"end":192.69,"text":"Bye, George."},{"start":192.72,"end":192.91,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and George Shultz discussed strategies for mediating ongoing rail and steel industry labor disputes to mitigate their impact on the national economy. Shultz proposed a meeting with rail leaders in the Roosevelt Room to dramatize the strike's consequences, with participation from key administration officials including John Volpe and Paul McCracken. Nixon approved the plan, noting the importance of publicizing the administration's involvement while keeping his own potential appearance as an flexible option.","topics":["Rail strike","Steel strike","Labor disputes","Economic policy","Mediation","George P. 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