{"conversationCode":"007-036","tapeNumber":7,"conversationNumber":36,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-007-036","startDateTime":"1971-07-30T13:13:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-07-30T13:15:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Jul-1971","startTime":"9:13 AM","endDate":"30-Jul-1971","endTime":"9:15 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Shultz, George P.;","description":"On July 30, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and George P. Shultz talked on the telephone from 9:13 am to 9:15 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 007-036 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 7-36\n\nDate: July 30, 1971\nTime: 9:13 am - 9:15 am\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nGeorge P. Shultz talked with the President.\n\n[See Conversation No. 267-4]\n\n     Railroad meeting\n           -Charles Luna, United Transportation Union\n           -Stephen Ailes, American Railroad Association\n           -John P. (“Jack”) Hiltz, Jr., railroad negotiator\n           -Impact of strike\n\n           -The President's appearance\n                 -Strike\n                 -Collective bargaining\n           -Paul W. McCracken\n           -James D. Hodgson\n           -Willie J. Usery\n           -George A. Lincoln\n           -John A. Volpe\n           -The President's appearance\n                 -Timing\n                 -Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins\n                       -Photograph","filename":["007-036.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:52:35","tapeEnd":"01:55:01","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Shultz, George P."],"prevCode":"007-035","nextCode":"007-037","transcript":[{"start":0.98,"end":18.84,"text":"We have Luna, the head of the United Transportation Union, Steve Ailes, the head of the American Railroad Association, and Jack Hiltz, the negotiator for the railroads here."},{"start":19.86,"end":23.7,"text":"And we're in the midst of describing the impact of the strike to them."},{"start":26.18,"end":29.55,"text":"I think it would make quite an impact if you were"},{"start":39.27,"end":51.14,"text":"collective bargaining issues settled by collective bargaining and worked out by the private parties and urge them to do that."},{"start":51.16,"end":55.41,"text":"Just now not to indicate that we have to do something if they don't do it because they're..."},{"start":55.43,"end":56.33,"text":"I wouldn't say that."},{"start":56.39,"end":57.45,"text":"Obviously we do."},{"start":57.79,"end":69.1,"text":"But I think that just expressing your concern and the fact that we're all watching the impact of this and it is getting to the point where we..."},{"start":69.64,"end":75.58,"text":"It's very damaging, and of course, you can just say other people here have reviewed that."},{"start":75.66,"end":80.06,"text":"Paul McCracken is here, Jim Hudson, Bill Essary, Abe Lincoln."},{"start":105.52,"end":113.05,"text":"Well, we met in the cabinet room, and the labor and management people are seated on either side of your chair, which is empty, of course."},{"start":113.75,"end":114.2,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":114.22,"end":124,"text":"And I think it would be good to have Ollie come in and take a picture, which could be released, and then just say your piece and leave."},{"start":130.95,"end":137.11,"text":"Well, no, I think it would be good to sit down and let Ollie take a picture while you're talking to them."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and George Shultz coordinated a brief appearance by the President at a meeting between United Transportation Union head Charles Luna and railroad industry representatives. The goal was to exert pressure on both labor and management to resolve a damaging strike through private collective bargaining without explicitly threatening government intervention. Shultz recommended that Nixon deliver a statement emphasizing the administration's concern regarding the strike's economic impact, with White House photographer Ollie Atkins documenting the session to convey presidential involvement.","topics":["Railroad strike","Collective bargaining","Labor relations","United Transportation Union","Economic impact"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T22:27:19.078Z"},"topicSlugs":["railroad-strike","collective-bargaining","labor-relations","united-transportation-union","economic-impact"],"audioDurationSec":146,"audioFiles":[{"file":"007-036.mp3","bytes":3498317,"durationSec":145.7,"bitrate":192078,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:21.472Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:34.856Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/007-036.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/007-036","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/7/conversation-007-036","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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