Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 007-045
Date: Monday, August 2, 1971 at 12:00 PM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; Curtis, Carl T.
Recording device: White House Telephone
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/007-045

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[0:00] Senator Goldwater, please.
[0:04] Thank you.
[0:04] And Senator Curtis is returning your call.
[0:06] All right.
[0:07] Bye.
[0:07] Thank you.
[0:11] Hi, Carl?
[0:12] Yes.
[0:12] Hi, how are you?
[0:13] Well, I'm okay.
[0:14] Good to see you.
[0:15] I hate to take you out of a meeting, but...
[0:17] It's all right.
[0:17] And I don't want to...
[0:18] I never want to put any pressure on a good friend.
[0:22] But I just want you to know one thing on the Lockheed thing.
[0:25] It isn't one that I would normally...
[0:27] I'm just talking to Reagan...
[0:30] and his people over the weekend.
[0:32] And they really feel that after SST being knocked out, and if they lose this one, that this could just about be critical in terms of the situation in 72.
[0:47] You know, California, as you know, next to the state of Washington, has the highest unemployment.
[0:55] And it's mainly due to airframes and that sort of thing, and defense.
[1:00] Now, some of it is turning around, and they feel good on a lot of things, but without getting into the technical, the financial, and the rest where you're really very expert, I just wanted you to know that the political consequences here are really very, very serious, and I wish you would consider that as you make up your mind.
[1:21] Let me say, I'm more interested, actually, in keeping Curtis in the Senate than anything like that, but I don't believe that that's good.
[1:29] that's going to be a problem.
[1:32] But I did feel that this California thing is really a very difficult one for us, and Reagan just feels...
[1:40] I mean, he's really uptight about the thing, and I wanted you to know about that.
[1:43] Well, I thank you for calling.
[1:45] You know, this is the first time you've ever had to call me on a boat.
[1:48] Well, I wouldn't.
[1:50] You know, as a matter of fact, sometimes our people don't have you on the list because you're always with us.
[1:58] And understand, I want you to feel free to call me any time.
[2:01] Sure, sure.
[2:02] I want to help if I can, and I'll see what I can do.
[2:05] I appreciate it.
[2:06] Now, one other thing, let me tell you something.
[2:09] Not at this point, but in about a month or so, and this is just between the two of us, I'd like for you to come down and we'll have a little talk about HR-1.
[2:22] All right.
[2:23] I'd like to see what kind of thinking, I mean, I know you've got John over there, and just because let's handle it.
[2:31] I want to get your thinking on it because...
[2:35] I just don't like to be, I don't want you to pass this on to any of the others, but I don't want to be in a position of having to fight our Republicans, you know what I mean?
[2:43] Yeah.
[2:44] And I know you've done a lot of thinking about the darn thing, and so we'll have a chat about that.
[2:50] Okay.
[2:51] And then you can pass it on to the others later, but I think if the two of us talk, then it doesn't leak out.
[2:55] Yeah, all right.
[2:57] All right, Carl.
[2:57] Okay.
[2:58] Bye.