{"conversationCode":"007-079","tapeNumber":7,"conversationNumber":79,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-007-079","startDateTime":"1971-08-09T21:47:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-08-09T21:48:00.000Z","startDate":"9-Aug-1971","startTime":"5:47 PM","endDate":"9-Aug-1971","endTime":"5:48 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Shultz, George P.;","description":"On August 9, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and George P. Shultz talked on the telephone from 5:47 pm to 5:48 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 007-079 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 7-79\n\nDate: August 9, 1971\nTime: 5:47 pm - 5:48 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\nThe President talked with George P. Shultz.\n\n[See Conversation No. 558-10A]\n\n     Bills\n             -The President's talk with John B. Connally\n                  -Budget\n                  -Veto\n                  -Congress","filename":["007-079.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:48:43","tapeEnd":"02:49:41","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Shultz, George P."],"prevCode":"007-078","nextCode":"007-080","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":1.21,"text":"Hello."},{"start":1.23,"end":1.97,"text":"Mr. Schultz."},{"start":1.99,"end":2.41,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":4.05,"end":4.52,"text":"George."},{"start":4.54,"end":5.74,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":5.76,"end":12.62,"text":"On those two bills, I talked to Connolly about them, and I think he makes a very good point in one respect."},{"start":12.72,"end":24.74,"text":"I mean, it sort of leans the other way on the budget thing, but the reason that he has for not vetoing is that we will not have laid the proper predicate for it."},{"start":25.22,"end":26.9,"text":"His view is that once we have vetoed"},{"start":27.22,"end":55.4,"text":"made the other moves that we're planning but then you just veto them in a minute you know and then throw the ball right back over to the congress but here to do it now he thinks there's some doubts about it now that's his argument for whatever it's worth and uh i i i hate to roll over on those bills i must say but i i still want to see tomorrow what what the congressional chances are if we do veto okay okay"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted with George Shultz regarding the political strategy for two pending bills, relaying concerns raised by John Connally about the timing of potential vetoes. Connally advised against immediate action, arguing that the administration had not yet established the necessary political predicate to justify a veto to Congress. Consequently, the President decided to delay his final decision pending further analysis of the administration's leverage and the likelihood of successfully challenging Congress.","topics":["Veto strategy","John Connally","Federal budget","Congressional relations","Economic policy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T22:31:09.742Z"},"topicSlugs":["veto-strategy","john-connally","federal-budget","congressional-relations","economic-policy"],"audioDurationSec":56,"audioFiles":[{"file":"007-079.mp3","bytes":1344155,"durationSec":55.93,"bitrate":192252,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:21.471Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/007-079.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/007-079","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/7/conversation-007-079","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}