{"conversationCode":"007-127","tapeNumber":7,"conversationNumber":127,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-007-127","startDateTime":"1971-08-16T02:03:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-08-16T02:05:00.000Z","startDate":"15-Aug-1971","startTime":"10:03 PM","endDate":"15-Aug-1971","endTime":"10:05 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kennedy, David M.;","description":"On August 15, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and David M. Kennedy talked on the telephone from 10:03 pm to 10:05 pm. 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Volcker\n               -Charles Coombs (?)\n               -Domestic issues\n                     -Timing\n\n     Kennedy's schedule\n         -Cabinet meeting\n         -Europe","filename":["007-127.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:40:37","tapeEnd":"04:42:21","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kennedy, David M."],"prevCode":"007-126","nextCode":"007-128","transcript":[{"start":3.61,"end":10.36,"text":"Hello Dave, how are you?"},{"start":11.96,"end":15.01,"text":"Well, I think we had to do it, Dave."},{"start":15.05,"end":25.8,"text":"You'll set us up for some of the other things that you and I know we're working on."},{"start":26.37,"end":33.42,"text":"And also, if we hadn't done it today, the Congress would have forced us to do something the wrong way."},{"start":33.44,"end":36.57,"text":"That's right."},{"start":36.59,"end":38.29,"text":"We're going to do it the right way."},{"start":38.31,"end":40.45,"text":"Well, Wilbur was pushing for that."},{"start":40.73,"end":40.95,"text":"Right."},{"start":41.07,"end":44.04,"text":"But apart from that, the international thing required the kind of action he took."},{"start":44.06,"end":45.78,"text":"I talked to John Connolly and Colville."},{"start":45.8,"end":46.42,"text":"Yeah, John told me."},{"start":46.44,"end":47.4,"text":"Oh, yes, yes."},{"start":47.42,"end":50.14,"text":"And I was glad that you went along with it."},{"start":50.16,"end":51.33,"text":"It was a tough thing."},{"start":51.43,"end":52.91,"text":"Well, it's not easy."},{"start":53.09,"end":55.13,"text":"Combs was very much opposed to it."},{"start":55.53,"end":62.54,"text":"But I just felt that they said, well, you might do your domestic things and all these other things would come into play."},{"start":62.6,"end":63.98,"text":"But we might have to crisis next year."},{"start":64,"end":65.46,"text":"So I said, bite the bullet now."},{"start":66.5,"end":67.08,"text":"Let's do that."},{"start":67.1,"end":68.41,"text":"Don't you agree?"},{"start":68.42,"end":71.75,"text":"If we had done that, we'd have to do the other later."},{"start":73.51,"end":78.23,"text":"That would be murder later."},{"start":78.25,"end":78.51,"text":"That's right."},{"start":78.53,"end":79.31,"text":"This was the action that I had in mind."},{"start":79.33,"end":82.14,"text":"Well, I appreciate it very much."},{"start":82.16,"end":82.96,"text":"We'll have a talk."},{"start":83.51,"end":85.03,"text":"You'll be at the cabinet meeting tomorrow?"},{"start":85.06,"end":85.82,"text":"Yes, I will."},{"start":86.58,"end":86.68,"text":"Good."},{"start":87,"end":93.39,"text":"I think that I may go over to Europe."},{"start":93.41,"end":93.57,"text":"Oh, boy."},{"start":93.59,"end":94.3,"text":"You may have to."},{"start":95.04,"end":95.6,"text":"I know."},{"start":95.62,"end":95.98,"text":"I know."},{"start":96.04,"end":98.2,"text":"I thought I'd go over there."},{"start":98.22,"end":98.32,"text":"Good."},{"start":98.34,"end":99.11,"text":"You can hold their hand."},{"start":99.73,"end":99.85,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":99.87,"end":100.19,"text":"Good."},{"start":100.21,"end":100.73,"text":"Very good."},{"start":100.75,"end":101.79,"text":"Dave, good of you to call."},{"start":101.97,"end":102.31,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and David M. Kennedy discussed the strategic necessity of the recently announced wage-price freeze, agreeing that proactive executive action was essential to preempt adverse Congressional intervention. They reviewed the domestic and international economic pressures that necessitated the decision, noting that delaying the measure would have been politically and economically disastrous. The conversation concluded with Nixon encouraging Kennedy to travel to Europe to manage the international diplomatic fallout and reassure foreign partners.","topics":["Wage-price freeze","Economic policy","International monetary system","Congressional relations","Nixon Shock"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T22:35:25.966Z"},"topicSlugs":["wage-price-freeze","economic-policy","international-monetary-system","congressional-relations","nixon-shock"],"audioDurationSec":104,"audioFiles":[{"file":"007-127.mp3","bytes":2488319,"durationSec":103.62,"bitrate":192119,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:21.472Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/007-127.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/007-127","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/7/conversation-007-127","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}