{"conversationCode":"007-138","tapeNumber":7,"conversationNumber":138,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-007-138","startDateTime":"1971-08-16T02:40:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-08-16T02:42:00.000Z","startDate":"15-Aug-1971","startTime":"10:40 PM","endDate":"15-Aug-1971","endTime":"10:42 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;","description":"On August 15, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. talked on the telephone from 10:40 pm to 10:42 pm. 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Milliken\n               -Industry\n                     -Chrysler\n                -Freeman Gosden\n\n     Vietnam negotiations\n          -Henry A. Kissinger","filename":["007-138.mp3"],"tapeStart":"05:13:29","tapeEnd":"05:15:30","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haig, Alexander M., Jr."],"prevCode":"007-137","nextCode":"007-139","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":1.87,"text":"Hello."},{"start":1.95,"end":3.64,"text":"Hello, Mr. President."},{"start":3.66,"end":3.9,"text":"Hi, Al."},{"start":3.92,"end":4.4,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":4.42,"end":7.42,"text":"Sir, I thought that was superb, just first class."},{"start":7.44,"end":9.66,"text":"Well, we had to lay it on the line, you know."},{"start":10.01,"end":18.14,"text":"Well, I've got the first reports in from various people that have a special interest in Mansfield."},{"start":18.16,"end":18.26,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":18.82,"end":21.16,"text":"Harsh but very necessary measures."},{"start":21.26,"end":22.12,"text":"You welcomed them."},{"start":22.14,"end":24.39,"text":"Good, good, good, good."},{"start":24.93,"end":26.31,"text":"Javits, of course, very high."},{"start":26.65,"end":28.07,"text":"Good, good."},{"start":28.09,"end":29.52,"text":"Even Galbraith..."},{"start":29.92,"end":35.32,"text":"said that the wage price freeze was sound policy."},{"start":35.34,"end":35.44,"text":"Good."},{"start":35.46,"end":38.48,"text":"He asked for more permanency."},{"start":38.51,"end":40.61,"text":"I know, but we're not going to do that."},{"start":41.05,"end":44.65,"text":"The only guy who didn't like it was Milton Friedman in Chicago."},{"start":44.67,"end":45.49,"text":"Well, he wouldn't."},{"start":45.51,"end":46.49,"text":"No, he wouldn't."},{"start":46.51,"end":52.34,"text":"Milliken, the governor of Michigan, very high."},{"start":52.36,"end":56,"text":"It could be as significant as the China announcement was earlier."},{"start":56.26,"end":57.12,"text":"Industry, for the most part, no reaction."},{"start":57.14,"end":59.33,"text":"Chrysler said it was very pleased, of course."},{"start":59.34,"end":59.48,"text":"Mm-hmm."},{"start":59.84,"end":72.63,"text":"So we're getting, I got a call from the coast from Freeman Godson."},{"start":72.65,"end":79.14,"text":"He said that everyone out there is delighted to... Godson for that?"},{"start":79.16,"end":79.38,"text":"Good, good."},{"start":79.4,"end":84.55,"text":"The speech, I think, sir, as I read it, before you gave it, I thought it was going to be a tough job to give."},{"start":84.57,"end":86.55,"text":"I think you gave it exactly the right way, crisp and confident."},{"start":86.57,"end":88.93,"text":"And the end of it, which could have been pedantic, had it not been delivered properly this morning,"},{"start":89.13,"end":96.68,"text":"Well, Henry's over there, huh?"},{"start":97.2,"end":98.02,"text":"Yes, sir, he is."},{"start":98.08,"end":99.18,"text":"We've heard nothing."},{"start":99.2,"end":101.02,"text":"Oh, you won't, sure."},{"start":101.04,"end":101.38,"text":"No sign."},{"start":101.4,"end":105.47,"text":"He meets tomorrow, doesn't he?"},{"start":105.49,"end":105.85,"text":"Do you meet today?"},{"start":105.87,"end":108.07,"text":"Yes, he meets tomorrow."},{"start":108.09,"end":108.37,"text":"Good."},{"start":108.39,"end":110.85,"text":"Well, this will camouflage what he's doing."},{"start":111.47,"end":112.52,"text":"Yes, very well."},{"start":113.28,"end":117.26,"text":"Okay, Al."},{"start":117.28,"end":117.82,"text":"Good of you to call."},{"start":117.92,"end":118.58,"text":"Yes, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Alexander Haig discuss the initial positive reception to Nixon’s televised address announcing a wage-price freeze. Haig reports favorable feedback from a broad range of political and economic figures, noting that the speech successfully projected a crisp and confident tone. 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