{"conversationCode":"008-111","tapeNumber":8,"conversationNumber":111,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-008-111","startDateTime":"1971-09-13T17:15:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-09-13T17:16:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Sep-1971","startTime":"1:15 PM","endDate":"13-Sep-1971","endTime":"1:16 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Connally, John B.;","description":"On September 13, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and John B. Connally talked on the telephone from 1:15 pm to 1:16 pm. 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Connally.\n     [See Conversation No. 571-1A]\n\n     Economy\n         -Business group\n              -Connally’s talk\n                    -President’s appreciation\n              -Wage control\n              -Support\n              -President’s speech to Congress, September 9, 1971\n              -Connally's talk\n                    -Importance\n                          -Political angle\n              -Wage control\n                    -Duration","filename":["008-111.mp3"],"tapeStart":"05:16:17","tapeEnd":"05:17:28","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Connally, John B."],"prevCode":"008-110","nextCode":"008-112","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":1.65,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.93,"end":2.8,"text":"Secretary Connolly, sir."},{"start":3.16,"end":3.42,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":4.64,"end":5.06,"text":"Hi, John."},{"start":5.3,"end":5.96,"text":"Yes, sir, Ms. President."},{"start":6.06,"end":10.31,"text":"I wanted to tell you, I appreciate your backing me up at that business group."},{"start":10.33,"end":22.53,"text":"That was very salutary for them to hear what was possible because, you know, those fellows could sit there in a dream world sort of expecting us to go ahead and be able to control wages and so forth and so on, sort of ad infinitum."},{"start":22.55,"end":22.95,"text":"That's right."},{"start":23.39,"end":52.68,"text":"uh i think it's good for them to hear it because in the end whatever we do come up with we got to have their support sure do at the very least that's right very least well i i thought you did a very superb job in summarizing it and uh i was a little bit of a loss didn't know what else to do no but that's just good it's good for them to get the you see john they are not politicians but it's good for them to hear from you as a political man as to what the hell is possible and these guys uh"},{"start":52.66,"end":54.75,"text":"As you know, you were absolutely right."},{"start":54.77,"end":59.91,"text":"Before we took this action, every businessman was saying, we've got to do something."},{"start":59.93,"end":60.19,"text":"That's right."},{"start":60.21,"end":60.79,"text":"A control agent."},{"start":60.93,"end":61.59,"text":"That's right."},{"start":62.2,"end":68.28,"text":"Now, of course, we moved, but they must be under no illusions that this crutch is going to be there forever."},{"start":68.7,"end":69.62,"text":"That's right."},{"start":69.64,"end":69.92,"text":"Okay."},{"start":70,"end":70.66,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":71.05,"end":71.57,"text":"Thank you, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon expressed his appreciation to Treasury Secretary John B. Connally for his effective presentation to a business group regarding the administration's economic policies. The two discussed the necessity of managing expectations among business leaders, emphasizing that wage and price controls initiated following the President's September 9 address to Congress were not intended to be permanent. Connally underscored the importance of securing political and business support while framing the temporary nature of these economic interventions.","topics":["Economic policy","Wage and price controls","John B. 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